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Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by brenden2 »

Ididntdothis wrote: post #40
brenden2 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In effect it did. From Wikipedia: > the German state between 1933 and 1945, when Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Party (NSDAP) controlled the country which they transformed into a dictatorship. Under Hitler's rule, Germany became a totalitarian state where nearly all aspects of life were controlled by the government In this context, the "government" means the military. Hitler used military force to enforce their rein. Ther…

Maybe you could say the nazis took over the military and be more accurate. Most oppression came from the SA which was a military like organization that the nazis had built up. This wasn’t a military coup like in other countries.

You could think about it that way, but you should also know that Himmler created the SS which swore allegiance to Hitler. The SS also existed before Hitler became the chancellor of Germany.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS#Origins_(1929%E2%80%...

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by core-questions »

jrockway wrote: post #38

I don't think there's enough detail here to decide whether or not to be mad. The L band is huge, 1000MHz-2000MHz. GPS uses a few tiny slices of this band. Cell phones, amateur radio, weather radar (though not precipitation-detection radar), ADS-B, and a ton of other non-military things are in that band. Adding 5G may or may not have any negative effect on GPS. I doubt they are proposing to run their 5G network on top…

>everyone knows that would break GPS (which already operate well below the noise floor).

Can you explain the noise floor bit?

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by i_am_nomad »

brenden2 wrote: post #37
michaelcampbell wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What, no "sheeple"?

You're making a joke, but I find it strange that people in the US aren't more skeptical of the government, especially the military and militarized police forces. To think the US is somehow unable to become a totalitarian state is naive. In Germany people didn't think it was going to happen either, many Germans didn't believe the atrocities were even happening and some remain in denial about them today.

Part of the issue here is that the military establishment and its peripheral industries in the US are so enormous, that most people who aren’t in the military are close to someone who is, or who does business with it. We’re all already in the Army, basically.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by josh2600 »

jrockway wrote: post #38

I don't think there's enough detail here to decide whether or not to be mad. The L band is huge, 1000MHz-2000MHz. GPS uses a few tiny slices of this band. Cell phones, amateur radio, weather radar (though not precipitation-detection radar), ADS-B, and a ton of other non-military things are in that band. Adding 5G may or may not have any negative effect on GPS. I doubt they are proposing to run their 5G network on top…

When light squared was shut down for messing with gps frequencies in their satellite network, the military did not say that light^2 was actually broadcasting outside of the expected frequency band. The deal is that the military just doesn’t use filters on most of their broadcast and reception equipment so their operating frequency is actually way wider than they say publicly.

This is because filters cost money and reduce the effectiveness of the broadcast system. If you could get away with operating over a much wider spectrum for any service, you probably would.

This is why when the military says “this interferes with gps even though it’s outside of the gps band were supposed to be using” what they mean is that they are using a much wider band of spectrum than what’s in the specs.

Ultimately, the fcc doesn’t have regulatory authority over the dod.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by kevindqc »

reubenmorais wrote: post #29
tracer4201 wrote: post #21

Is it correct to say that this impacts GPS not only for the American civilian and military but also the rest of the world? What are other country’s thoughts? It would be interesting to learn what led the FCC to make the decision they did... how did they deem the safety or consequences of this decision, etc. hopefully it’s not driven purely by profit incentives that put lives at stake. Disclaimer: I have no background…

The company wants to build a 5G network in the US, so it would affect GPS in the US. It's interference at the receiver, not at the GPS satellites themselves.

My understanding of this is that the company wants to use L band, which is the designation for the range of frequencies in the radio spectrum from 1 to 2 gigahertz (GHz)

Doesn't 5G use higher frequency than that?

Is the company, a satellite company, trying to use their satellites to provide 5G or something? So if the interference starts at the satellites, it could affect other parts of the world?

>“We have presented to the FCC a proposal to utilize our terrestrial midband spectrum as a greenfield opportunity that is aligned with the commission’s stated goals of providing the foundation of the 5G future,” explained Doug Smith, Ligado president and CEO. “By deploying 40 megahertz of smart capacity on midband spectrum, we can create a model of at least a partial 5G network — a next-generation, hybrid satellite-terrestrial network — that will enable 5G use cases and mobile applications that require ultra-reliable, highly secure and pervasive connectivity.”

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by Ididntdothis »

brenden2 wrote: post #41
Ididntdothis wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe you could say the nazis took over the military and be more accurate. Most oppression came from the SA which was a military like organization that the nazis had built up. This wasn’t a military coup like in other countries.

You could think about it that way, but you should also know that Himmler created the SS which swore allegiance to Hitler. The SS also existed before Hitler became the chancellor of Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS#Origins_(1929%E2%80%...

I am not sure what point you are trying to prove. All this stuff came from outside the regular military. So in the present you should be more worried about militias taking over than the regular military.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

MR4D wrote: post #12

An interesting threat vector arises here for Huawei... Ignore all the stuff about backdoors and such for a minute. I wonder if the administration fears that Huawai could simply attenuate their cell tower signals at a high wattage to disrupt all sorts of things. I never thought of that before - "5G as a weapon". Definitely a weird world. I need to start reading Judge Dredd again to start getting caught up on the futur…

IIRC: In the late-2019 BBC Click interview with GCHQ on the subject of Huawei, 5G, and security the spokesperson said information security wasn't an issue as we have end-to-end to handle that, the greatest risk was remote shutdown of the network. I assumed they're alluding to "in a time of war", falling back to non-5G wouldn't seem to be a big problem ... but then lots of our comms send to run on Huawei hardware already.

Personally I don't think that risk is worth avoiding Huawei over. But then I'd be happy to maintain the top level of infrastructure we already have in the UK and work on bringing breadth to the networks using 3G&4G and taking an upgrade-hiatus. I'm not convinced the average person will get much from 5G except more infringement of civil liberties ...?

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by brenden2 »

Ididntdothis wrote: post #48
brenden2 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could think about it that way, but you should also know that Himmler created the SS which swore allegiance to Hitler. The SS also existed before Hitler became the chancellor of Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS#Origins_(1929%E2%80%...

I am not sure what point you are trying to prove. All this stuff came from outside the regular military. So in the present you should be more worried about militias taking over than the regular military.

My point is simple: be skeptical and suspicious of humans with lots of power over other people.
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