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Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by Ididntdothis »

brenden2 wrote: post #26
HenryKissinger wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's in the military's interest to limit the freedom and empowerment of the public as much as possible. This is an unfair view. The National Defense Strategy states: > Without sustained and predictable investment to restore readiness and modernize our military to make it fit for our time, we will rapidly lose our military advantage, resulting in a Joint Force that has legacy systems irrelevant to the defense of our…

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The military didn’t take over nazi Germany.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by mytailorisrich »

tracer4201 wrote: post #21

Is it correct to say that this impacts GPS not only for the American civilian and military but also the rest of the world? What are other country’s thoughts? It would be interesting to learn what led the FCC to make the decision they did... how did they deem the safety or consequences of this decision, etc. hopefully it’s not driven purely by profit incentives that put lives at stake. Disclaimer: I have no background…

No it's purely an issue in areas where Ligado plans to offer its service, which is the US at the moment, hence their application to the FCC.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by [deleted] »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #24
Negitivefrags wrote: post #17

Is this even actually directly related to 5G? I mean a mobile phone can’t connect directly to space satellite right? The article says “Would allow telecom companies to deploy 5G networks”. Is this satellite network for doing connnections between cell sites maybe? If that’s the case, it feels like 5G is only tangentially related and only included in story for click bait given that people seem to want to get mad about…

Indeed, the issue here is a company, Ligado, that plans to use the L-band spectrum. As this is the part of the spectrum that GPS uses, the Pentagon worries about interferences. This has nothing to do with 5G, the cellular standard, per se, and even even less with Huawei or China. Edit: In fact, cellular networks like 4G and 5G ones rely on GPS for correct synchronisation and interfering with GPS could have an impact…

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Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by icegreentea2 »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #28
icegreentea2 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ligado (ex-lightsquare) product is a hybrid satellite terrestrial network. The specific component that people are concerned about is their terrestrial network which is very much a 5G creature (in so much at Ligado is marketing themselves and this approval as a step forward for 5G and IoT).

It's not a 5G issue, it's a spectrum allocation issue.

Fundamentally yes, but look at how both sides are trying to sell the issue. If Ligado and the FCC are both pushing this spectrum allocation issue as a question of helping 5G or not (and therefore hitching onto the we need 5G now or else China will beat us wagon), then I'm completely sympathetic to opposing coverage piling on the counter 5G bandwagon.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by brenden2 »

Ididntdothis wrote: post #31
brenden2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The military didn’t take over nazi Germany.

In effect it did. From Wikipedia:

> the German state between 1933 and 1945, when Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Party (NSDAP) controlled the country which they transformed into a dictatorship. Under Hitler's rule, Germany became a totalitarian state where nearly all aspects of life were controlled by the government

In this context, the "government" means the military. Hitler used military force to enforce their rein. There's no way Nazi Germany could have done what they did without absolute control exerted by the military.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by michaelcampbell »

brenden2 wrote: post #26
HenryKissinger wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's in the military's interest to limit the freedom and empowerment of the public as much as possible. This is an unfair view. The National Defense Strategy states: > Without sustained and predictable investment to restore readiness and modernize our military to make it fit for our time, we will rapidly lose our military advantage, resulting in a Joint Force that has legacy systems irrelevant to the defense of our…

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What, no "sheeple"?

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by brenden2 »

michaelcampbell wrote: post #36
brenden2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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What, no "sheeple"?

You're making a joke, but I find it strange that people in the US aren't more skeptical of the government, especially the military and militarized police forces. To think the US is somehow unable to become a totalitarian state is naive. In Germany people didn't think it was going to happen either, many Germans didn't believe the atrocities were even happening and some remain in denial about them today.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by jrockway »

I don't think there's enough detail here to decide whether or not to be mad. The L band is huge, 1000MHz-2000MHz. GPS uses a few tiny slices of this band. Cell phones, amateur radio, weather radar (though not precipitation-detection radar), ADS-B, and a ton of other non-military things are in that band. Adding 5G may or may not have any negative effect on GPS. I doubt they are proposing to run their 5G network on top of the GPS frequencies, after all, because everyone knows that would break GPS (which already operate well below the noise floor).

One time when we were working on testing Wifi interference, we tried to buy every possible 2.4GHz device to see what they did to our routers. We found these TV extenders (connect camera to one end, connect TV to the other) that claimed to be 2.4GHz but didn't interfere at all. We looked more closely with a spectrum analyzer and they were actually 1.3GHz and completely stepped all over the GPS frequencies. Did the FCC stop Amazon from importing these things? Nope. I guess my point is... the threat is real, but someone going out of their way to request permission from the government (as is legally required) is probably not going to cause many problems.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by brenden2 »

souterrain wrote: post #18
brenden2 wrote: post #15

It's in the military's interest to limit the freedom and empowerment of the public as much as possible. I would take their opinions with a grain of salt. With that said, this seems like something that can be easily solved with technology improvements.

Excepting in this case where the military operates a critical, life-safety infrastructure used by civilians. I'm frankly more concerned with the FCC acting as a taxpayer-funded telecoms industry cheerleader. Dear FCC: You're regulators. You're supposed to be regulating. This is what you get for being public servants.

Meh, the military engages in far more life terminating than life saving.

Re: Pentagon official: FCC decision on 5G threatens GPS, national security

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Post by Ididntdothis »

brenden2 wrote: post #35
Ididntdothis wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The military didn’t take over nazi Germany.

In effect it did. From Wikipedia: > the German state between 1933 and 1945, when Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Party (NSDAP) controlled the country which they transformed into a dictatorship. Under Hitler's rule, Germany became a totalitarian state where nearly all aspects of life were controlled by the government In this context, the "government" means the military. Hitler used military force to enforce their rein. Ther…

Maybe you could say the nazis took over the military and be more accurate. Most oppression came from the SA which was a military like organization that the nazis had built up. This wasn’t a military coup like in other countries.
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