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Re: Facebook iOS SDK Remotely Crashing Spotify, TikTok, Pinterest, Winno and More

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A consulting company or a company that makes "white label" apps like for restaurants or stores.

Can we agree that each restaurant having a separate app is one of the dumbest outcomes imaginable?

Sure, unless you’re one of those restaurants that wants their own app.

Re: Facebook iOS SDK Remotely Crashing Spotify, TikTok, Pinterest, Winno and More

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For those wondering why the Facebook SDK is so widely used in popular mobile apps: Facebook Login is actually in the minority of reasons to add the Facebook SDK to your mobile app. The vast majority of apps will add the Facebook SDK because it contains Facebook App Ads; a library that "completes the circle" in terms of finding out how effectively the ads you ran on Facebook were at getting people to download, install…

Don't mind me. I'm just going to come into your house and record what commercials you are watching. I'm not spyware I'm just _merely_ wanting to know about my marketing budget. Analogy may not be perfect but it takes serious mental gymnastics to fail to see this as spyware, in my opinion.

Isn't that how the TRP is calculated. IIRC agencies install devices in random houses to find which program is being watched.

Re: Facebook iOS SDK Remotely Crashing Spotify, TikTok, Pinterest, Winno and More

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For those wondering why the Facebook SDK is so widely used in popular mobile apps: Facebook Login is actually in the minority of reasons to add the Facebook SDK to your mobile app. The vast majority of apps will add the Facebook SDK because it contains Facebook App Ads; a library that "completes the circle" in terms of finding out how effectively the ads you ran on Facebook were at getting people to download, install…

>Is that "spyware"? Yes, absolutely. It uses energy and bandwidth I paid for to surreptitiously transmit my information for use which will solely benefit Facebook and the software developer.

I can see a difference between paid and free-to-play apps.

If I pay for the service, I can expect that the service is taking nothing more from me than the payments I make. Our contract is explicit.

If it's a free-as-in-beer service, then the user must realize that the business which is offering the service expects to get something for its purposes from the user, such as user's eyeballs and user's computing resources.

Re: Facebook iOS SDK Remotely Crashing Spotify, TikTok, Pinterest, Winno and More

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Wow. At almost exactly the time that report was filed ... about 30-40 Minutes, my spotify ios app started crashing. I was listening to a song on my desktop, and wanted to share it on my instagram so I went to the app to do it. everytime I opened up the app it would crash immediately, I restarted my phone, tried it again, and it was fine for about 5 seconds and then crash ... crash ... crash ...

I filed a report with Spotify and by the time they got back to me, the problem had gone away ... I thought it was very odd, until I read this post ...

I guess now I know what happened.

Re: Facebook iOS SDK Remotely Crashing Spotify, TikTok, Pinterest, Winno and More

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>Having a government full of technical lot illiterate politicians regulating digital advertisement - what could possibly go wrong. I'm not sure that argument works. If we expand a bit, It wouldn't be difficult to find that governments are mostly comprised of illiterate politicians. There is no need for a government to be comprised of digital advertisement industry specialists in order to pass meaningful industry regu…

Those who don’t learn from history.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Decency_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_A... And a few where we dodged a billet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Act

You're trying to convince me that the system isn't perfect. Listen, I've long since agreed with you.

I commented on your initial response because it was overly dismissive and implied the only way forward is to first wait until we have a government stocked with domain experts who only act only on policy within their domain. It dismisses the fact that it is unlikely that the politicians introducing regulation were solely responsible for its construction.

Yes, there is corruption in government and yes ignorance is painfully obvious in some legislation, but to dismiss the idea of enacting regulation because the politician(s) signing it into law may not be experts in the field the regulation addresses, isn't at all practical.

I'd further argue that it is incumbent upon those working in industry to ensure the creation of regulation is conducted transparently and includes representatives from the industry to contribute the necessary knowledge and expertise required to formulate the law(s) such that society benefits from the protection and commerce suffers no undue burden.

Re: Facebook iOS SDK Remotely Crashing Spotify, TikTok, Pinterest, Winno and More

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release forced updates and launch no new features, but "general bug fixes and performance enhancements."

I’ve got tons of apps in my App Store’s update queue, some that I haven’t updated for a couple months and they still work perfectly. Uber is one that comes to mind. They keep changing the UI while I keep using the same version from ages ago. I don’t bother updating anymore, it’s just noise.

What about security?

Re: Facebook iOS SDK Remotely Crashing Spotify, TikTok, Pinterest, Winno and More

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I feel like I'm in the minority here -- but I don't understand the problem. Software developers want to know whether their existing marketing methods are effective. The FB SDK helps with this. You always have the choice to not install the app (if you don't want to). This also helps developers make sure their marketing is effective and reaching the right people, which seems like a win-win to me.

>Software developers want to know whether their existing marketing methods are effective. The FB SDK helps with this. As you mention, this is something the software developer want, not necessarily the user . >You always have the choice to not install the app (if you don't want to). This argument may have some teeth if directed toward a user in our industry. Depending on the scope of the particular software in questio…

This very same argument would apply to, say, "5% of the price of my dinner goes towards healthcare for the waitstaff. That's something the company wants, not something I want."

There are much better argument for it being spyware, e.g., that it spies. It's not a very strong argument that a thing is bad simply because it helps the provider of the thing.

Re: Facebook iOS SDK Remotely Crashing Spotify, TikTok, Pinterest, Winno and More

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post #36

For those wondering why the Facebook SDK is so widely used in popular mobile apps: Facebook Login is actually in the minority of reasons to add the Facebook SDK to your mobile app. The vast majority of apps will add the Facebook SDK because it contains Facebook App Ads; a library that "completes the circle" in terms of finding out how effectively the ads you ran on Facebook were at getting people to download, install…

>Is that "spyware"? Yes, absolutely. It uses energy and bandwidth I paid for to surreptitiously transmit my information for use which will solely benefit Facebook and the software developer.

So do you argue then that looking at highway banner ads caused you to deplete your glucose stores in your cells derived from the food you paid for?

Re: Facebook iOS SDK Remotely Crashing Spotify, TikTok, Pinterest, Winno and More

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User benefits from effective marketing. If software dev knows who their audience is better it means product will reach the correct customers more efficiently. It is win for everybody.

It has to say something about the effectiveness of your marketing if the only way you even observe it having an effect is by installing spyware on every users system.

Nobody said it was the only way, but better measurement means optimizing ad spend to better target users and lower prices.
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