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Re: GitHub Codespaces

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Post by donmcronald »

Kipters wrote: post #183
suyash wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup all the free stuff is ultimately to lead us into using and paying for Azure. Need an open source alternative to GitHub.

Why? It's not like you MUST deploy on Azure

I think it's more about all of the integration leading to efficiencies that are hard to ignore while they're being subsidized / promoted. It'll start out as something where the value proposition is too good to ignore, but, as time goes on, they'll tier off features and charge a premium as you scale up.

There was a time when I was hopeful and though Microsoft would take a developer first approach with the end goal being making it easy to deploy to Azure. After seeing the VSO (the old name for Codespaces) pricing I'm a lot more cynical. Microsoft's going to be altruistic until they're not.

Go look at the pricing for VSO. They have a full time dev (100 hours a month - lol) estimated at a cost of $23 USD per month. Just wait until there's some type of marketplace for extension developers. The local version of VSCode will disappear overnight and (IMO) we'll be paying $50+ / month for the same thing that's free right now.

Get ready to pay for everything per user per month for the rest of your life.

Re: GitHub Codespaces

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Post by lern_too_spel »

wpietri wrote: post #198
lern_too_spel wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you're the customer, 99.9% of the time, you're also the product.

Not in the sense which that is meant. The foundation of commerce is long-term, positive-sum relationships between people. The people at my corner grocery are looking out for the needs of me and my neighbors; we look out for them in return. That relationship is fundamentally different than the one between cow and meatpacker.

Yes, you are the product in the sense that this is meant. The people at my grocery store track my purchases using my loyalty card, use that data to influence their ads, and sell that data to others.

Jetbrains might not do this, but if they can make money from this, they would be just as incentivized to do this as GitHub.

Re: GitHub Codespaces

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Post by throwaway7281 »

I'm getting tired of this game. Even the deaf ones like me start to hear the drums now.

You know, it's not that we do not have enough megacorps controlling every aspect of our lives. We need more of the "opposite" - places that empower you and leave you in peace and control.

Re: GitHub Codespaces

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Post by greatgib »

nojito wrote: post #197
greatgib wrote: post #190

Typical Microsoft strategy: Embrace, extend and extinguish Soon the Platform will be renamed 'Microsost Visual Studio Github' or 'Microsoft team Github'. Then 'microsoft Visual studio hub'. Then at somme point, Github will be inside Visual studio code online and not anymore the other way around!

What? This is just them creating a one stop shop for developers by expanding what GitHub offers. Nothing to do with EEE

And btw, don't forget the past. They had 'team fondation server' (that is now azure devons server'), that was shitty and git and Github were terrible competitors.: https://wilsonmar.github.io/tfs-vs-github/

And all of tfs was volontarely deeply intricated with Visual studio useless things.

Re: GitHub Codespaces

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Post by petetnt »

marceloabsousa wrote: post #134
luhn wrote: post #75

This is going to be great for open source—Being able to get a fully-configured dev environment at a click of a button greatly lowers the barrier to entry. I've had a few small OS contributions where the time to set up the environment was more than the time I spent programming! I could also see this being popular with engineering teams. No futzing with the new hire's computer, just have them open a web browser and the…

I'm not sure if this is really true. Why would you want to become a contributor to an OSS project if you can't bother to get it working on your machine? You actually learn quite a bit about the project by going through its dependency hell.

I contribute to various OSS (and private) projects all time just by using the GitHub code editor and catching errors or regressions if any in the CI. Having a fully fledged dev environment is even better.

Re: GitHub Codespaces

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Post by oaiey »

dflock wrote: post #102
kick wrote: post #14

I can only imagine how the people at GitHub paid to work on Atom are feeling right now. Microsoft hasn't been kind to them!

Pretty sure they haven't been paid to work on Atom since the acquisition: https://github.com/atom/atom/graphs/contributors They killed Atom the day they took over - they haven't had the balls to say anything publicly, but just go look at the commit graphs in the Atom repos. Here's a summary: https://twitter.com/DuncanLock/status/1177747512905461760

Agree. And considering the size of this, they are executing a very well defined playbook. Sounds like a very successful company integration to me. Will be good for everyone.

Re: GitHub Codespaces

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Post by gravypod »

I hope this accelerates interest around web-based development environments. If someone could pre-package a setup containing language servers for "all" languages, a build system that is generic to all languages (bazel or bazel-like), and internally run a small kube cluster with a wildcard DNS name pointing to it you'd reduce ops work of setting up staging environments, feature branch testing, development environment management, etc for most development teams by at least 10%.

I can't wait for a monorepo-friendly staging/development environment that works out of the box and can provide cross-language & generated code autocompletions for "every" language.

Re: GitHub Codespaces

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Post by vb6sp6 »

xd1936 wrote: post #185

People hate on Electron apps, but it sure enables some cool stuff. I can't imagine another sustainable way to build a fully-fledged IDE that runs as a desktop application that people love, _and_ can be run on a remote server instance, rendered and interacted with in the browser. Amazing.

VSCode is a decent app, but I no longer consider it an electron app. It uses tons of c++ and you'd have to have the cash to buy the electron team (like ms did) to get anywhere close to what they have done.
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