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I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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Why do you think he's a parasite? He seems to live a modest life, and work very hard to make the economy work more efficiently. He's giving almost all of his money to philanthropic causes, and seems to campaign for all the right causes. He maintains a pretty low profile for his level of success (he doesn't even support philanthropy through his own family foundation; he went with Gates, since he thought they'd do a be…

I think his claim to be a beneficial 'allocator of capital' is bogus. He tends to invest in established exploitative companies. His investments have been made on an almost exclusive basis of growing wealth, which in the end is a very sterile end to aim for. > I'll tell you why I like the cigarette business. It costs a penny to make. Sell it for a dollar. It's addictive. And there's fantastic brand loyalty. — Buffett,…

That article starts with an incorrect premise.

"America isn’t supposed to allow moats, much less reward them. Our economic system, we claim, is founded on free and fair competition."

That's called a straw man. No one has ever said America "doesn't allow moats" and that there is "free and fair competition".

The whole point of business is, within the law, to build a moat that makes it impossible for a late-starting competitor to compete with you. Patents are moats. Immense capital is a moat. Brands are moats. Regulations are moats.

When Disney pulls its movies from Netflix to start its own streaming service, it's using its moat to block a competitor.

I bet almost every dollar you spend in your life goes to companies that legally try to stop you from spending money with their competitors. From your phone to your bank to your car to your airline.

The Fed is currently propping up the price of assets through $3 Trillion of asset buying. This isn't a free economy.

Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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It seems that it's more a problem with your inability to optimize correctly than anything else. But you are on the right way. You are trying to do a multiple-objective optimization one objective at a time, and cycling through them. You have already noticed that you can't totally forget the other objectives when working on one, otherwise you lose more over a cycle. In fact what you seem to be aiming for is a single ob…

> But the rule of thumb of good optimization (something something Jensen inequality) is that all your objectives must be growing all the time so you just have to be sure you are not letting something regress. It's called striking a balance. Then all objectives will grow following a S-curve simultaneously. Does this assume no cost for context switching? When I have tried to juggle several objectives in my life, I ofte…

Maybe you're working out or focusing too intensely.

I find that doing five minutes workout easily increases the amount of exercises I did for 40+ minutes a day. That's on top of my commitment to going to the gym and doing an hour worth of training.

Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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It seems that it's more a problem with your inability to optimize correctly than anything else. But you are on the right way. You are trying to do a multiple-objective optimization one objective at a time, and cycling through them. You have already noticed that you can't totally forget the other objectives when working on one, otherwise you lose more over a cycle. In fact what you seem to be aiming for is a single ob…

> But the rule of thumb of good optimization (something something Jensen inequality) is that all your objectives must be growing all the time so you just have to be sure you are not letting something regress. It's called striking a balance. Then all objectives will grow following a S-curve simultaneously. Does this assume no cost for context switching? When I have tried to juggle several objectives in my life, I ofte…

>But maybe that's suboptimal in the sense that I pushed myself too hard initially, so I am fed up with that activity and don't feel like doing maintenance at all.

Yep, that's what I think. If you are oscillating for no reason you are doing it wrong. That's typically the yoyo effect people often experience when optimizing for their weight.

Humans do a really poor job at optimization in general. Quite often following a simple PID for control just make these oscillations disappear, and allow the optimization to continue instead of being stuck.

This is a simple model (quadratic), so it has its limits. Context switching shouldn't be a problem. Ideally you would have a zero cost to context switch, but if the cost is non zero, it only increase the variance but you should reach still your optimum as long as you remember that you are not just optimizing for the task at hand but for the combination.

The other limitation is when you have non-linear effects, but they are usually adverse, meaning big oscillations are more likely to result in an injury, than in an acceleration in progress. But sometimes, they can be beneficial like avoiding over-adaptation.

>Can you elaborate on this?

Which brings me to the satisficer vs maximizer point. There are often two school of thoughts when you optimize a problem that has constraints.

Once the problem become more complicated some people will assume a simplistic model and go with it, while other will try to find the best one before going with it. General-structure oriented vs detail oriented.

You can stay in the primal representation where you respect the constraints, then improve while respecting the constraints. Or you can switch to the dual where you give yourself some slack in the constraint while occurring a cost for violating the constraint that you add to the objective. You can also stay within the admissible region using some barrier method.

When you are working in the dual you are already juggling with multiple objectives.

You try to satisfy the constraints simultaneously focusing on those actively being violated, usually once all constraints are satisfied you are happy and stop maximizing even though there is still something to grab. If you want to progress further, you give yourself some additional constraints and satisfy again. Basically you are trying to land in a good-enough(TM) region of space.

The maximizer will aim for the peak. He will optimize for the sake of it. Instead of expanding the problem to a more interesting one, he will try his best to grab that extra-performance point on its limited toy problem. Once he reached the optimal point he knows that he has some slack left and only then he expands the problem to another dimension.

Sometimes he finds that deep peak inside a shallow valley, but most often he is spending a lot of energy just to make the satisficer look bad.

Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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I lack grit in exactly the same way. I love working on things I'm passionate about, I'm fortunate that programming is one of them (or more accurately: some aspects of programming), but there are plenty of things on which I struggle to motivate myself to do them. I tend to call it discipline or willpower rather than 'grit', but I guess it's the same thing. I did notice that my wife and I have and lack this willpower i…

Yeah, I think most of the conversation here would be more clear if we simply traded the somewhat-ambiguous "grit" for the better-defined "discipline" and "willpower".

Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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Measures & metrics of "grit" are, at best, not that great. It is a quality difficult to capture, and methods tend not to distinguish between projects a person chooses to undertake and those a person has no interest, believes are without value, yet is forced to undertake. I've used Duckworth's grit assessments, and not found the results to be particularly predictive of the outcomes I was trying to measure

Now, that said, "grit" is not always well understood. It's often considered a general-purpose quality. However, grit isn't necessarily about being good, or "gritty", at everything. It's much more about how you perform on something once you've chosen to do that thing. It is not about doing things that you don't believe have value to yourself.

The athlete that sleeps through class is a good example: That person didn't explicitly choose academics. Academic responsibilities were an unwanted side effect. It wasn't something the person ever really wanted.

Compare that with someone who chooses to go to college for academic reasons: Do they work hard? Stick to it? Persevere through problems? That is grit.

Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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I have learned the same thing about myself: I am (relatively) successful not because my grit allowed me to keep doing something which I disliked but were rewarded, but because the things I enjoy doing are things which are valued by our society. I realized this after reading the following Warren Buffet quote[1]: "I happen to have a talent for allocating capital. But my ability to use that talent is completely dependen…

Thanks for that. I have often thought that boy, I would really have suffered had I been born in medieval or Roman times because I don't know what I would've done if I didn't work in IT. I would describe the feeling as guilt, and it took me some time to just accept that things are the way they are.

Ancient Rome is legendary for engineering.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_engineering

There is this notion I see going around that in the past people survived by being brutish animals and smart people would have died quick. In fact, it's the opposite. We outcompeted other animals because we are NOT like them. Because we engineer. In a hunter gatherer society someone who builds traps, designs better huts or tents, etc could be extremely valuable.

Buffet's self-deprecation is admirable but lacks imagination.

Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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It is impossible to be really good at everything.... when I optimized for work, my fitness goals went through the window. When I optimized to get a project done, my reading (books) went down as well. When I optimized for fitness (working out and soccer), my work and side projects started progressing slower. It is very hard to work on your project at home, when you are in a intense bulking, or 'cutting' phase, and onc…

I schedule things. I happened to use google Calendar, but the choice is unimportant. Block out time as busy: work, commute, gym, cooking, eating, sleeping, whatever. Pick the amount of practice needed for the desired target activity. It's quite clear when you can't add something new, and it's clear from progress in things when you need to shift. Some things take less to maintain than others.

It also makes doing things you want easy, and helps build habits. "Willpower doesn't work, habits do. Motivation doesn't work, planning does." is true in my experience.

Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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It is impossible to be really good at everything.... when I optimized for work, my fitness goals went through the window. When I optimized to get a project done, my reading (books) went down as well. When I optimized for fitness (working out and soccer), my work and side projects started progressing slower. It is very hard to work on your project at home, when you are in a intense bulking, or 'cutting' phase, and onc…

Simplified into something I say a lot: “opportunity cost waits for no man”.

Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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I think you hit the nail on the head. It's good advice, particularly if you're someone with a short attention span who's constantly jumping from project to project. Nowadays, it's so easy to see just how far the talent pool is across the globe. You see the awesome cello player on Instagram, the amazing 3D games artist on Twitter, the world class gymnast on TikTok. You get so excited and inspired, and naturally, you w…

Indeed. Also, nobody posts their failures online. You only see success, and the path to that success is hidden or even misrepresented (“I made this in an afternoon!” ... and 5 years working 8h/day on the necessary skills).

Reminds me of this (dubious) Picasso story: "It always reminds me of the story about the woman who approached Picasso in a restaurant, asked him to scribble something on a napkin, and said she would be happy to pay whatever he felt it was worth. Picasso complied and then said, “That will be $10,000.”

“But you did that in thirty seconds,” the astonished woman replied.

“No,” Picasso said. “It has taken me forty years to do that.”"

Apocryphal or not, the point of the arduous and often frustrating process hiding behind the product is relevant to any skill.

Re: I was tricked into thinking I had “grit”

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A "thing" is just such a vague and general concept that is useless. If either your job or your relationships can be reduced to only mastering 1 thing I really envy you. If you say I am being unfair and of course it involves many sub-tasks , so why dont just choose to be good at life? So you can concentrate in just one thing and still have 2 other "things" to spare. Now, less snarky and more serious, in any activity o…

Didn't Einstein had a day job at a patent office while developing the Theory of Relativity?

It's worth noting that much of his work at the patent office related to questions about transmission of electric signals and electrical–mechanical synchronization of time, two technical problems that show up conspicuously in the thought experiments that eventually led Einstein to his radical conclusions about the nature of light and the fundamental connection between space and time.
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