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Xcode now costs US$ 4.99
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Re: Xcode now costs US$ 4.99
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Right... and 5$ is hard to pay when your a teenager, just because you don't have a credit card yourself.
Especially when a sense of entitlement is free! You can get Visa gift cards at the convenience store for $10. If a teenager can't find the motivation to scrounge up 10 bucks, they're going to have a hell of a time learning how to program.
Are you sure that this:
You can get Visa gift cards at the
convenience store for $10.
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#333Earlier quoted context omitted.
Actually you could download Xcode (and the iOS SDKs) for free from Apple's website. It would only run on your $129/$29 OS, but technically you didn't have to use the shipped copy ever .
You can download download Xcode 3.x free if you log in at connect.apple.com, or on the xcode page on developer.apple.com you click on the "Looking for Xcode 3" link: http://imgur.com/cWRp6 http://imgur.com/8LHXW This isn't the end of the world, it is not like now you no longer have access to the development tools. I wonder like a lot of people if this has to do with tax laws.
> it is not like now you no longer have access
> to the development tools
If it just slowly dies, then this is a very shrewd move by Apple because the pain (i.e. "I have to pay to get any dev tools") comes some time in the future and the people can dismiss the nay-sayers right now with, "but you can still get X Code 3 for free!" If Apple were to immediately pull XCode 3, and all access to dev tools was pay-only, then it would be a lot easier for more people to side with the people decrying this move.
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#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
Updates have always been automatic through Software Update. I have never manually downloaded an update for Xcode. I have been a staunch Apple supporter for years, but lately their anti-hacker stance has become more and more obvious. If you aren't making them money through their store, then fuck off. This token charge for Xcode isn't for profit; it's a message to a certain group saying "You aren't wanted here anymore.…
In over 2 years I've never once seen Xcode update through Software Update - is there a secret setting somewhere to enable it? I'm ready to plunk down the $4.99 just to get the automatic update in the App store. Thanks!
You're right. Xcode 3 doesn't update automatically.
Re: Xcode now costs US$ 4.99
#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
> When it gets more expensive we should ask why. They just plowed thousands of engineering man-hours into significantly overhauling both the infrastructure (huge amount of work around LLVM) and interface of Xcode for the Xcode 4 release, addressing a substantive number of long-standing complaints along the way. This release is by far the biggest overhaul of the product in the last decade. All of those engineers cost…
A single footlong sandwich may be a significant sum for people not in Western, industrialized countries. But that point is secondary to the fact that even $5 is a barrier for beginners. I think people are objecting because they themselves happened into programming as a passion and career - I know I did. They found some tool, probably for free (QBASIC for me) that got their feet wet initially, and that's how they got…
> A beginner who is neither sure nor convinced that programming is a good thing to pursue is unlikely to spend even a footlong's worth of money on it, and we've lost yet more potential future engineers.
Sure. And Xcode would probably scare them off anyways, because it's decidedly not set up to be friendly to beginners. This is a non-issue. Beginning programmers on the Mac should under no circumstances go grab Xcode unless they want to feel utterly bewildered.
The $5 charge is utterly beside the point, here. One wonders how you imagine anyone ever gets into a hobby with more than a $5 barrier to entry.
> Also, the fact that Apple has poured a significant investment into building these tools says nothing - they've been pouring a significant investment into their dev tools for years and offered it for free.
They seem to have drastically increased the amount of effort they're putting into it, probably because of the increased iOS dev audience. That extra effort probably justifies the minor $5 price increase.
> Their competitors have also poured enormous sums into dev tools that are available for free.
Which competitors would those be? Microsoft isn't giving their professional tools away for free, just a drastically cut down starter edition. Sun plowed a ton of cash into NetBeans, but following their financial lead seems ill-advised.
Re: Xcode now costs US$ 4.99
#336Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can download download Xcode 3.x free if you log in at connect.apple.com, or on the xcode page on developer.apple.com you click on the "Looking for Xcode 3" link: http://imgur.com/cWRp6 http://imgur.com/8LHXW This isn't the end of the world, it is not like now you no longer have access to the development tools. I wonder like a lot of people if this has to do with tax laws.
> it is not like now you no longer have access > to the development tools XCode 3 may still work now , but what does the future hold? Will it get updates? Or will it slowly become obsolete? If it just slowly dies, then this is a very shrewd move by Apple because the pain (i.e. "I have to pay to get any dev tools") comes some time in the future and the people can dismiss the nay-sayers right now with, "but you can sti…
Many other people are also suggesting, and I would agree with them that come OS X Lion time Xcode will once again be shipped on the media that the OS comes on.
I don't know what the future holds, I don't work at Apple, and if I did I am pretty sure I wouldn't be allowed to tell you.
Sure we can speculate at this point, honestly I think that Xcode 3 has run its course and that Xcode 4 is the future.
Xcode 4 being priced the way it is may be for tax reasons, Xcode 4 may be shipped with OS X Lion, Xcode 4 may later on be offered as a $50 package on the Mac App Store. We don't know. For now I hope, and tend to agree with people that Xcode 4 will be bundled with OS X Lion and at that point will be free once more.
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#337Earlier quoted context omitted.
One difference is that MS also has a free command-line compiler.
gcc/clang are completely open source. In fact, the ones online are far more recent versions than what apple has been shipping. I believe apple still ships gcc42 as of the last free xcode.
Are there really that many compelling additions to gcc since then? This is a serious question, not a rhetorical one.
Re: Xcode now costs US$ 4.99
#338I'd make a lengthy comment, but the value of the time spent might exceed all the money I would ever give Apple for xcode.
Re: Xcode now costs US$ 4.99
#339Earlier quoted context omitted.
That sounds more like a problem with academia than Apple. Just sayin'.
When the software costs only a few bucks more than the DVD you could burn it on and warez it from a friend, and a fraction of the price of the USB stick it would fit on, you know you're being cheap.
I'm in academia too and if XCode 4 doesn't come with Lion, I would gladly pay from my pocket for it. Imagine that I would put the bureaucracy machine of a university or institute for 5 bucks is ludicrous. Our salaries are lower but we are not below the poverty line.
Re: Xcode now costs US$ 4.99
#340I dual boot Ubuntu/OSX 10.5 on my macbook pro,
I once tried to switch from Ubuntu to OS X 10.5 for Ruby development.
First I found out Homebrew and macports needed Xcode. I downloaded the 3GB+ monster that is Xcode. Ran the installer, only to find out my OS is outdated. I need to upgrade to 10.6 which costs $30. Checked online to find links to older Xcode versions but the only link available was the most recent Xcode version which doesn't work on 10.5.
And I'm not even a Mac developer, I'm just trying to install Ruby. I tried to install Xcode from my OS X CD, but I really couldn't find it. I installed the utilities pack and it turns out Xcode wasn't there. I got fed up with Apple and switched back to Ubuntu.
I honestly think Apple is driving hackers away from their platform. I don't like the idea of paying for something I don't need. My OSX 10.5 works great, I don't need to upgrade. Why won't Apple put a download link to older Xcode versions and let the OSX upgrade and Xcode 4 sell on their own merits.
I know the link to Xcode 3.2 is still up but it doesn't work on OSX 10.5