Apple, Google ban location tracking in apps using their contact-tracing system

Post by WatchDog » Mon, May 04, 2020, 11:26 PM UTC

dan-robertson wrote: post #126

lazyeye wrote: post #12

Does anyone else find this a little ironic given Google is a company that has been logging peoples location to a very fine detail for years

I have four arguments as to why google are behaving this way with regards to this data. I’ve no idea which, if any, they operate by: 1. It’s actually crap and they don’t want their advertisers to know that their ads are sold based on crap quality data/don’t want the backlash of doing a poor job helping 2. Most people at google care a lot about privacy (either in the secret kept between you and google sense or the mor…

Post by vertex-four » Mon, May 04, 2020, 11:30 PM UTC

taywrobel wrote: post #149

pmiller2 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd rather we not help our own government "more effectively" spy on American citizens, thanks.

> Well, in the context of this post, that is irrelevant at best, or whataboutism at worst. I notice you don't offer a defense of Palantir here. Why is that? HN won't let me reply to that, so I'll do it here. I didn't feel the need to offer a "defense" of Palantir there since I already outlined it above and don't feel like there's value in repeating myself. But you asked, here you go - The government is going to use t…

Post by conanbatt » Mon, May 04, 2020, 11:32 PM UTC

taywrobel wrote: post #63

SSLy wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll use an analogy: they might not be the warlords, but they are the weapon traffickers.

I disagree with that analogy. Palantir isn’t getting them more data. It’s helping them use it more effectively. The organizations already have all the data recorded. If you don’t like the data that organizations record, I’m right there with you, but demonizing the tools that allow them to access data more effectively is an absurd stance to take. Their system also does things like add an immutable audit log, or enforc…

Post by munificent » Mon, May 04, 2020, 11:33 PM UTC

taywrobel wrote: post #116

bduerst wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I interned in St. Louis one summer and my neighbor worked at Boeing. The only reason I remember him to this day is because he introduced himself as a programmer working on smart bombs. He immediately said it was okay because he didn't fire the bombs, he just made them smarter so they didn't kill innocent people.

Is it a realistic expectation that we have no one working on smart bombs/weapons technology in general? I’d love to be in the utopia world where there is no war and the entire planet gets along. But even the US has political bipolar disorder, so we’re a looooong way from global peace. I do think we spend an absurd and inappropriate amount on defense, but as long as we are forced to develop weapons due to the global g…

Post by AlexMoffat » Mon, May 04, 2020, 11:36 PM UTC

mrfusion wrote: post #163

djrogers wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you opt out of installing an app? Is that actually what you're asking here? If so, yes..

If Apple wanted to they could force your phone to install an Unremovable app or just add in the software in an update.