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Re: Extremely disillusioned with technology. Please help

#81
Interesting way to post the question, if we are truly "done" with tech.

I'd say a LiveJournal entry might be more apropos. :)

TL;DR: Maybe tech isn't your gig. It's important to find what is.

First, my heart goes out to you. It really does stink to be where you are.

I'd say it's a matter of expectations. The "conventional wisdom" is "Don't have expectations, and you won't be disappointed."

Sounds good. I have yet to meet anyone that truly meets that bar.

We all have expectations. It's human nature.

The deal is how we react to those expectations.

I get my expectations trounced on a regular basis. That which does not kill me, makes me stronger.

Except for Dilbert's corollary: "That which does not kill me, leaves me weak and exhausted."

When you signed up for a tech career, why did you sign up for it? What did you expect?

In the 1980s, there was an explosion of doctors and lawyers. Medical schools were so crowded that people had to study abroad.

The reason was that a doctor could look forward to a six-figure salary (and a six-figure insurance bill); right out of the starting gate. Lawyers...maybe not as much, but LA Law was a popular show, back then, so everyone thought it was the best career move ever.

That resulted in a ton of mediocre doctors and lawyers. They didn't love what they did.

My father was a Harvard-graduate lawyer. Top of his class. Silver Star war hero (planted in Arlington). He could have written his own checks.

But he hated it, and joined the CIA, instead (which he later quit in disgust). I think he felt that he should have learned a different career, all his life. He was never happy, and that broke my heart.

SO HERE'S WHERE I MAKE IT ALL ABOUT ME:

It also taught me that it's really important to be happy with my vocation.

So here I am...refactoring myself to be happy.

I was a manager for a significant part of my career. I was very good at it.

And hated it. Being good at something is not the same as being happy doing it.

I love tech. My worst nightmare is to feel the way you do (talking to the poster). Nothing gives me more joy than to craft a superb application, and know that it is as close to perfect as God will allow.

That means that I have to be careful who I let have any control over my work. The current tech scene is absolutely nuts about money and prestige. People are more than willing to peddle cow flops, if they can buy a Tesla with the proceeds.

Others use money as a leash and a lash, to tie us down and force us to do their bidding.

People like me are nothing but transient resources to be used up and discarded.

So I have enough set aside to be...OK (not rolling in dough); even after this current kerfuffle. It allows me to be picky about what I do, and who I let have control of my work.

I'm really really into quality software. You might say that I'm obsessed. To me, it's a craft.

Think of me as the old Swiss guy, making cuckoo clocks in his garage. There's not much of a market for cuckoo clocks, but my clocks are gonna be the best clocks you can get. I won't let anyone force me to use crappy pine, when walnut is what works best, and I won't mass-produce them.

But I'm a happy little old clock maker, and if anyone wants really good cuckoo clocks, they know where to go. They just have to work with me, and not expect me to be hog-tied by bling.

I sincerely wish you the best, and hope you get your groove back.

Re: Extremely disillusioned with technology. Please help

#82

I'm having similar issues, and i think i found a way out: stop playing their game. Don't make enterprise software. Don't write unit tests. Don't accept pull requests. Simply write software for yourself and have fun doing it. Forget refactoring code into modules, just fucking code. Don't worry about deployment with k8s, just copy the Python script to your production folder and run it. Fuck all that shit about git bran…

This is right.

The OP said he is "disillusioned with technology" but I didn't see actual technology being described as the problem with any point. So there's a conflation here happening between technology and "tech" companies. And I can only say the phrase "tech" companies while using sarcasm quotes around "tech", because almost nobody at any of these companies develops actual technology. And that's a big part of the problem.

Re: Extremely disillusioned with technology. Please help

#84
There's a lot of good advice and insights in this thread. You have good reason for feeling this way, and all of the paths people have suggested - ways to move on and stay in tech; how to leave tech entirely; how to make it a hobby instead of a job; or some other middle ground - are valid ways to address this problem.

But, I may suggest an additional option: do something about it. Build a business that eschews VC culture, or become a VC who doesn't fit in among their blood-sucking peers. Run for office, and use those resources to address these problems. Teach other how to avoid these mistakes. You may have found your big problem to solve - put that engineering intellect towards deliberately, systematically solving the problems which burned you. That problem-solving attitude you learned for writing programs can be applied to other problems, too.

This is the most difficult solution to your feelings, and no one would fault you for taking any of the other paths suggested in this thread. But, if you're up for it, you could make a real impact and I think you would find it very rewarding.

Re: Extremely disillusioned with technology. Please help

#85
You can't let work be your whole life or it's going to eat you up. Everyone should read how things are done at Joel's company. Joel spolsky knows how to create a responsible work environment that is sustainable that won't burn out engineers. Here is his key advice: 20 hours of your work week you spend on your SE studies + medition/rest/yoga + administrative stuff + meetings. the other 20 hours is on coding. If you're doing more than 40 hours per week, your not sustainable, and you need to do something to change that. Working at a start up is no excuse, not enough runway is no excuse. The only time you should be working more than 40 hours a week is if you own the freakin company or at least 30% of it.

Re: Extremely disillusioned with technology. Please help

#86
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the advice. It's really good. > Think about all the food stands that you have walked past in your life, within each stand is an immigrant family who slave away for decades hoping for a better life. Have you ever thought about them and gave them time/money for their suffering? I know what you mean and know what you're getting at. But I feel compelled to point out this particular example isn't quite the same…

How old are you? Why would you be at all surprised that VCs lie?

I don't believe the parent was expressing surprise at this unethical behavior, they were instead pointing out one way the grandparent's example isn't quite equivalent to the situation the OP provided.

Re: Extremely disillusioned with technology. Please help

#87

I'm having similar issues, and i think i found a way out: stop playing their game. Don't make enterprise software. Don't write unit tests. Don't accept pull requests. Simply write software for yourself and have fun doing it. Forget refactoring code into modules, just fucking code. Don't worry about deployment with k8s, just copy the Python script to your production folder and run it. Fuck all that shit about git bran…

This. and let's add: don't use fancy frameworks (that are cool and popular) that cause many headaches for you down the road.

Re: Extremely disillusioned with technology. Please help

#88

I'm having similar issues, and i think i found a way out: stop playing their game. Don't make enterprise software. Don't write unit tests. Don't accept pull requests. Simply write software for yourself and have fun doing it. Forget refactoring code into modules, just fucking code. Don't worry about deployment with k8s, just copy the Python script to your production folder and run it. Fuck all that shit about git bran…

This is the best and worst part about open source dev.

Pro: You can do whatever you want

Con: You can do whatever you want (including things that will bite you in the ass later)

I've also noticed that AI/ML falls into the exact same pit because many folks there are cowboy coding

Re: Extremely disillusioned with technology. Please help

#90
> Then I worked for a tech giant, and then for a high-growth unicorn. It shocked me how dilbertesque they both were. Full of politicians, and burnt out engineers in golden handcuffs who can't wait to get out, and meaningless business speak, and checked out employees who pretend they're "excited" about everything all the time. The young, wide-eyed engineers seem hopelessly naive to me now.

I don't know this person. I wasn't there. I don't know which tech giant.

Certainly there are plenty of stories of large multinationals with dilbertesque politics, and checked out zombies.

But something tells me that this author's experience was only because he was comparing it to the glory days of his own startup where everyone was intensely invested and engaged.

The truth is there is a middle ground: employment. You are engaged insofar as you receive a paycheck, and you want to do good work to continue getting that paycheck. But you also care enough to do a good job because you're human, and because you want a raise or a promotion, or even a cookie from your peers that says "go you". You probably also like the specific job more than you would other ones.

The loudest stories rise to the top of HN, but I think most professional industry is just this. That doesn't mean it's unhealthy. Politics has purpose.

And when you yourself are cynical, everyone else's excitement rings hollow and you think they are pretending and are actually checked out..

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