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Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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Post by RobertKerans »

netsharc wrote: post #11
esotericn wrote: post #9

The NHS needs funding, not our "thanks". The Government's current drive to propagandise their ongoing failure to fund essential public service should not be tolerated. (For those who are unaware, in the UK we are currently being asked by the powers that be to take part in a "clapping session" on the streets weekly).

I've been wondering how much they "exploited" the recently-turned-100 Captain who was walking up and down his garden 100 times to raise money for the NHS. He or his family probably came up with the idea themselves, but I wonder if some individuals working in the government helped it "go viral". The same government that's been slowly stripping the NHS, when suddenly, a free 100 million pounds (and counting) to spend!…

The money goes to charities associated with the NHS, not the NHS itself. This isn't a subtle difference, it completely torpedoes everything in your comment.

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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Post by monoclechris »

jahaja wrote: post #35
monoclechris wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK has never reduced NHS funding in real terms year on year.

Are you suggesting that one should only look at the absolute numbers? Staying at the previous year's funding is usually - in practice - a reduction for most welfare services.

I am suggesting we keep in line with reality and facts, nothing more, nothing less.

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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Post by monoclechris »

switch007 wrote: post #36
monoclechris wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK has never reduced NHS funding in real terms year on year.

IMHO focussing on the NHS budget seems myopic. I haven't got the faintest clue about public health spending but there are so many things you can question like - What is medical inflation compared to overall inflation? - What do other countries spend? - Are we getting value for money? - Are key statistics getting worse despite increase budgets? - How does population factor in to spending? etc

I am focusing the discussion on reality and facts. Everyone else can speculate as much as they want.

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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Post by DanBC »

growlist wrote: post #13
Symbiote wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's some irony in doing so through Virgin Money. Virgin is seeking to privatize the NHS, and the group has Virgin Care, which is one of the largest private care providers contracted by the NHS. Naturally, Virgin Care pays no corporation tax -- Richard Branson has an allergy to tax, and doctors and politicians have so far not found a cure.

Well as a counterpoint, I'm personally now thoroughly bored of the left's ongoing campaign of 'weaponising the NHS', to quote former Labour leader Ed Miliband. The left would rather see patients suffer in a vast, unmanageable, outdated institution than contemplate the horror of a successfully reformed NHS incorporating a significant private component.

> NHS incorporating a significant private component.

We already have a significant private component, and it's piss poor. Look at all the scandals in Priory Group, or Cygnet, or similar.

See also the numbers of private providers in the CQC recent inspections that were inadequate:

https://www.cqc.org.uk/search/services/all?f%5B0%5D=im_field...

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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Post by twic »

monoclechris wrote: post #43
switch007 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO focussing on the NHS budget seems myopic. I haven't got the faintest clue about public health spending but there are so many things you can question like - What is medical inflation compared to overall inflation? - What do other countries spend? - Are we getting value for money? - Are key statistics getting worse despite increase budgets? - How does population factor in to spending? etc

I am focusing the discussion on reality and facts. Everyone else can speculate as much as they want.

Fact, singular. Taken in isolation from a context which could give it quite different meaning.

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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Post by DerDangDerDang »

RobertKerans wrote: post #37
DerDangDerDang wrote: post #23

Did anyone hear of this rainbow = NHS thing before the Queen’s speech? I ask because surely most of the country knows the existing connection between the rainbow symbol and LGBT issues. Like, areas of my city painted roads in rainbow colours several years running to show welcome and support. I’m vaguely wondering whether the rainbow was deliberately hijacked, in the same way as the phrase ‘postcode lottery’ was repur…

Yes, they'd been in windows for a couple weeks before that in the UK. It's a nice thing for kids to make, with the original aim of being something to spot when being taken on walks. Kids like drawing rainbows, they get to use all the colours in the box. Loads of the rainbow pictures have extra messages written on them. NHS support messages are most common. Hence why they are partly associated to the NHS People can do…

It is nice. Thanks, I was genuinely curious - I hadn’t seen or heard of it before the Queen mentioned it. Rainbows seem a slightly naive choice in that case but if it’s an organic grass roots thing that’s pure chance, of course.

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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Post by monoclechris »

twic wrote: post #46
monoclechris wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am focusing the discussion on reality and facts. Everyone else can speculate as much as they want.

Fact, singular. Taken in isolation from a context which could give it quite different meaning.

If someone makes a false statement, it is not unreasonable to dispute that claim.
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