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Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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Post by nicoburns »

jpxw wrote: post #30
gvjddbnvdrbv wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't want to add the terrible combination of cost cutting together overhead and waste of the private sector to our public services.

Interesting that you seem to imply that the private sector is the one with overhead issues...

Yes... the NHS has some of the lowest per capita healthcare costs of any comparable health service. And so far all attempts to bring in private finance have lead to spiralling costs.

That's not to say the NHS has no efficiency issues. It's the 5th largest employer in the world. Of course it has efficiency issues. But there's little evidence that making it private would improve things.

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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Post by monoclechris »

iso1631 wrote: post #28
kitd wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NHS needs funding, not our "thanks". I didn't realise it was either/or.

The UK continuously votes to reduce healthcare funding relative to the rest of the world, so it's either "no funding and thanks" or "no funding".

The UK has never reduced NHS funding in real terms year on year.

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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Post by [deleted] »

DerDangDerDang wrote: post #23

Did anyone hear of this rainbow = NHS thing before the Queen’s speech? I ask because surely most of the country knows the existing connection between the rainbow symbol and LGBT issues. Like, areas of my city painted roads in rainbow colours several years running to show welcome and support. I’m vaguely wondering whether the rainbow was deliberately hijacked, in the same way as the phrase ‘postcode lottery’ was repur…

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Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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Post by jpxw »

nicoburns wrote: post #31
jpxw wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting that you seem to imply that the private sector is the one with overhead issues...

Yes... the NHS has some of the lowest per capita healthcare costs of any comparable health service. And so far all attempts to bring in private finance have lead to spiralling costs. That's not to say the NHS has no efficiency issues. It's the 5th largest employer in the world. Of course it has efficiency issues. But there's little evidence that making it private would improve things.

Mixing private with public does lead to spiralling costs. To me it seems like a system such as the one in Germany offers good outcomes at a reasonable price, while not denying anyone care.

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

#35

Post by jahaja »

monoclechris wrote: post #32
iso1631 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK continuously votes to reduce healthcare funding relative to the rest of the world, so it's either "no funding and thanks" or "no funding".

The UK has never reduced NHS funding in real terms year on year.

Are you suggesting that one should only look at the absolute numbers? Staying at the previous year's funding is usually - in practice - a reduction for most welfare services.

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

#36

Post by switch007 »

monoclechris wrote: post #32
iso1631 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK continuously votes to reduce healthcare funding relative to the rest of the world, so it's either "no funding and thanks" or "no funding".

The UK has never reduced NHS funding in real terms year on year.

IMHO focussing on the NHS budget seems myopic. I haven't got the faintest clue about public health spending but there are so many things you can question like

- What is medical inflation compared to overall inflation?

- What do other countries spend?

- Are we getting value for money?

- Are key statistics getting worse despite increase budgets?

- How does population factor in to spending?

etc

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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Post by RobertKerans »

DerDangDerDang wrote: post #23

Did anyone hear of this rainbow = NHS thing before the Queen’s speech? I ask because surely most of the country knows the existing connection between the rainbow symbol and LGBT issues. Like, areas of my city painted roads in rainbow colours several years running to show welcome and support. I’m vaguely wondering whether the rainbow was deliberately hijacked, in the same way as the phrase ‘postcode lottery’ was repur…

Yes, they'd been in windows for a couple weeks before that in the UK. It's a nice thing for kids to make, with the original aim of being something to spot when being taken on walks. Kids like drawing rainbows, they get to use all the colours in the box. Loads of the rainbow pictures have extra messages written on them. NHS support messages are most common. Hence why they are partly associated to the NHS

People can do nice things, you don't need to attach conspiracy theories to them.

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

#39

Post by DanBC »

kitd wrote: post #15
DaveWM wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant this article as a "thank you" to the brave doctors and nurses putting in extra time and effort to look after everyone else. Regardless of the state of NHS funding, it's just basic human decency to say thank you to them. I didn't mean it as any kind of political statement.

I see OP's attitude a lot on Reddit and (sadly) a few times here too. It seems common decency is a dirty word when there's political point scoring to be had. Rebranding it as "virtue signalling" is another one.

"I cannot abide being lauded as a hero by politicians who allow my colleagues to die for want of proper PPE."

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/02/nhs-doctor-f...

Re: Saying Thank You to the NHS, Using Clojure

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Post by amiga_500 »

kitd wrote: post #14
esotericn wrote: post #9

The NHS needs funding, not our "thanks". The Government's current drive to propagandise their ongoing failure to fund essential public service should not be tolerated. (For those who are unaware, in the UK we are currently being asked by the powers that be to take part in a "clapping session" on the streets weekly).

The NHS needs funding, not our "thanks". I didn't realise it was either/or.

It is, because it's being used as ideological cover for under-funding the NHS, when we should be calling out all the Tories, and their money laundering and tax dodging mates.

The UK media is owned by the very rich. They don't want to pay for the NHS, they want you to clap, and no more.

I have nothing against this post, generating a rainbow, no problem. My reply is about the general UK scene of clapping but not funding the NHS.

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