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Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by FireBeyond »

bengale wrote: post #484
Tepix wrote: post #158

Funny anecdote: Apple offers a trade-in when buying a new Macbook. I decided to have a look. I entered the serial number of my Macbook Air 11" (Late 2010). I confirmed that it boots up, has no defects, has no optical faults and that I will include the power supply. Apple offered 10€ ($12). Yay?! PS: This ancient notebook runs macOS High Sierra with the current 2020-2 security patch and sells for an astonishing 200€ o…

Pretty sure its mainly just recycling service. It's for people that have no interest in attempting to deal with the hassle of reselling.

And repair parts inventory, I'm sure.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by Lio »

warent wrote: post #579
tw04 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After several years I can unequivocally say I still hate the touch bar. I love touch ID, but the bar needs to go. USB-C was all about standardizing. I'm still not sure how I feel about it, I did love magsafe, but I also love that in theory someday I'll have one cable to rule them all. And I'll be able to charge my headphones/laptop/phone/random device with a usb-c cable instead of needing 8 of them.

I don't understand why people hate the touch bar or the keyboard. It's imperfect yes but the entire MBP keyboard+trackpad layout enables me to be insanely productive. The only reason I don't buy something like a Mac Mini is because I can't get a peripheral keyboard that is the same as the one on the MBP. The only thing I wish it had was a number pad. Maybe you're just not realizing its potential. I definitely recomme…

I guess a large part is that you can't use it without looking at it. If you're a touch typist you want to be able to do everything on the computer without thinking or moving your hands from the home row.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by JadeNB »

makecheck wrote: post #381
tw04 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After several years I can unequivocally say I still hate the touch bar. I love touch ID, but the bar needs to go. USB-C was all about standardizing. I'm still not sure how I feel about it, I did love magsafe, but I also love that in theory someday I'll have one cable to rule them all. And I'll be able to charge my headphones/laptop/phone/random device with a usb-c cable instead of needing 8 of them.

I’ve found that the Touch Bar’s fundamental flaw is that it doesn’t handle unintended touches well (which sadly affects multiple Apple technologies, including my Watch and even the trackpad occasionally), and that is directly related to the fact that it has no raised elements. Furthermore, one of its main added features — the ability to do gestures that keys can’t do — just isn’t valuable. I haven’t seen a single exa…

> Despite customizing the bar with BetterTouchTool, including “vibrate” feedback, I invariably found I had to remove more and more things from the bar over time. Any functions in the central part of the bar were invariably triggering by accident. It was just too distracting to have things randomly happening when my finger slid onto something that doesn’t feel like an active panel.

Is there any way to disable the fixed `esc`? I could just ignore the touch bar, except for that. It haunts my vim experience and my attempts to use full-screen (which `esc` exists by default), since apparently my left little finger tends to rest there without my realising (maybe because I'm a vimmer?).

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by calaphos »

reaperducer wrote: post #459
AdamCraven wrote: post #347

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Perhaps, but it reduces the size of the secondary market so consumers have less choice and may opt for a new one instead. This is the real advantage to Apple.

Is there a secondary market for a ten-year-old MacBook Air? I use a nine-year-old Air almost daily, but I don't think the vast majority of people would consider it viable, let alone pay for one.

It's certainly to the same type of people who would buy a new product for 5x the price instead.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by throwphoton »

twalla wrote: post #590
alexggordon wrote: post #125

I was curious how the 13 inch was priced so I compared it to a new Dell XPS 13. Dell has a better processor (maybe, [2]) , but I couldn't find the option to upgrade the Dell to 4TB internal SSD, so I compared both with the 2 TB option. Ram is the same at 32GB. Dell came out to $2399[0] USD and Apple came out to $2999[1] USD. Dell Pros: * Row of function buttons (I've used BTT to customize my touch-bar to the point wh…

If Apple made a 13 inch MBP without touchbar but with 4 ports I’d buy 3 because I know they’d immediately discontinue or “improve” it.

Apple should simply re-release the pre-touchbar 2013 Macbook Pro, with USB-C ports.

"Peak MacBook Pro" was 2013 (once they fixed the screen-coating deterioration).

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by JadeNB »

whymauri wrote: post #553
makecheck wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve found that the Touch Bar’s fundamental flaw is that it doesn’t handle unintended touches well (which sadly affects multiple Apple technologies, including my Watch and even the trackpad occasionally), and that is directly related to the fact that it has no raised elements. Furthermore, one of its main added features — the ability to do gestures that keys can’t do — just isn’t valuable. I haven’t seen a single exa…

My touch bar freezes every hour or so when changing volume. I then have to close the laptop, wait for a second, and then open the laptop again. It's awful.

You can also kill the relevant process: `killall ControlStrip`. I haven't had the precise problem you describe, but this did often suffice to fix strange frozen touch-bar problems.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by iphone_elegance »

voidmain0001 wrote: post #573
ksec wrote: post #560

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> 16:10 aspect ratio..... MacBook ( Pro, Air or just MacBook ) has always been using 16:10 ratio. 16:10 on Dell is something new in the PC space that everyone is making a big fuss about it. Although I hope this change will finally run across the industry so we are back to 16:10 instead of stupid video consumption orientated 16:9 Ratio.

Funny. You pine for 16:10 everywhere and I pine for 4:3 everywhere. If software is eating the world, then why doesn't the ultimate screen ratio for development take over computers?

the 3:2 ratio on the surface laptops is pretty nice imo

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by shrimpx »

I’ve been dreaming of a 32G 13” for years but now that it’s here I wish it were 64G. This for me sums up the problem with the 13” offering. Attractive form factor (for me), always 2-4 years behind on specs.

Apple apparently thinks that smaller form factor means the audience is “junior pro” or something. People who want smaller laptops are probably also running proportionally smaller workloads, thinks Apple. It makes zero sense to me.

Re: New 13-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by FireBeyond »

ConfusedDog wrote: post #200
Tepix wrote: post #158

Funny anecdote: Apple offers a trade-in when buying a new Macbook. I decided to have a look. I entered the serial number of my Macbook Air 11" (Late 2010). I confirmed that it boots up, has no defects, has no optical faults and that I will include the power supply. Apple offered 10€ ($12). Yay?! PS: This ancient notebook runs macOS High Sierra with the current 2020-2 security patch and sells for an astonishing 200€ o…

I got a brand new one evaled for free disposal. That was really generous of Apple.

Or the condescending "Trade in your computer" text. "First, tell us what brand: Apple? Other?"

If you select "Other", the immediate next text you see is "based on what you told us, your computer is ready for recycling".

Note: Apple is not forced to offer any trade in service, let alone for third party computers. But the above is insulting, if not outright misleading. Doesn't matter what your other computer is, "it's ready for the trash heap (recycling, but still), has no trade-in value".

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