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It takes a couple seconds to start the first time you launch it. Very much not instant.
What about the second time?
Then it's in cache.
Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
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Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
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> Honestly I don't have a problem with that. But if they don't give power user the option to opt out, this is just disrespectful The problem is that "power users" can't be trusted to use this power responsibly, or they operate based on assumptions that won't always be true. Either way they end up hurting other people in enough situations that this becomes an ecosystem issue. Power users often help others set up their…
If I’ve got the technical know how to install Ubuntu, I should have full control over my machine; full stop. It’s my hardware, so it’s my rules. Of course, since it’s my hardware I just uninstalled Ubuntu and went with something that gave me more control.
It's your machine, but you are talking about software you don't control. This would imply that the software won't always follow your rules.
Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
#313> Snap applications auto-update and that’s fine if Ubuntu wants to keep systems secure. But it can’t even be turned off manually. OMG. Is this real? This is the exact reason I use Linux instead of Windows 10 or macOS. I am not a grandma who can't stay up to date on tech news. At the least there should be a toggle for power users. But no, you can only defer it. Am I the only one who doesn't like it when your already s…
...dumb question: Does this apply to Ubuntu Server as well??? Because if so, I'm sticking with 18.04.
If you're running Ubuntu's server, odds are that you're SSH-ing into the box instead of running graphical interface. Unless you specifically install snaps, I don't see how this would affect you.
Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
#314If you're looking for an alternative to Ubuntu but want to stick with a Debian-based distribution, I'll continue to recommend Debian testing. It's a rolling release, so you don't have to stop what you're doing every 6 months - 3 years to install a huge update that changes the way everything works. It's more stable than the name would suggest, as long as you follow a few reasonable best-practices [1]. Software availab…
I tried going this route and the desktop experience was rough. Debian doesn't seem to have reasonable defaults for fonts so I spent way too much time learning and configuring all the font systems. So literally just the font configuration was enough for me to switch back to Ubuntu and just only install the stuff I like (no snap, gnome).
Yeah, I remember this... fontconfig can be kind of a bear. Once you find a configuration that works for you, save your fonts.conf somewhere so you don't have to do it again.
The Debian wiki page on fonts is helpful. The Arch wiki page is better, and most of it still applies:
Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
#315Ubuntu is doing more harm than good to desktop linux at this point in time.
Continuing to push Xorg over Wayland. Removing support for flatpak (cross-distro way of using sandboxed apps) Horrible PPA system that works much worse in practice than the AUR or other ports systems. No daemonless docker (podman)
Lots of people try Ubuntu since it is the "most popular" version of Linux, realize it isn't great and think desktop Linux is in bad shape. The reality is Canonical doesn't seem to have good ideas and refuses to incorporate the good ideas from other distros.
Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
#316Can anyone recommend good rpm based distro for desktop(business env)?
CentOS or Fedora?
Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
#317Ubuntu is doing more harm than good to desktop linux at this point in time. Continuing to push Xorg over Wayland. Removing support for flatpak (cross-distro way of using sandboxed apps) Horrible PPA system that works much worse in practice than the AUR or other ports systems. No daemonless docker (podman) Lots of people try Ubuntu since it is the "most popular" version of Linux, realize it isn't great and think deskt…
which distros you think are better choice for laptop?
Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
#318Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Given an option regular users will never update their computers, perhaps partly due to fear of what they don't understand, fear of change, or maybe due to past bad update experiences. You make it sound like an irrational fear but there's a real cost/benefit ratio to consider when you upgrade a machine. I personally always try to keep my machines up to date but stuff does break from time to time. Like last week an ar…
> You make it sound like an irrational fear but there's a real cost/benefit ratio to consider when you upgrade a machine. 95+% of users have no chance of even making this cost-benefit analysis because they cannot assess the scope or risk associated with the upgrade even if they wanted to. They have to rely on vendors making those assessments for them.
I'd argue that almost 100% of users, myself included, can't really make this analysis for any given update. Usually you can't anticipate what will brake, that's what makes upgrades scary.
What everybody does however is to use past experiences to evaluate the risks. Who hasn't had a system upgrade break something that took a while to fix? In these conditions, who wants their system to auto-update if the system is critical and it could happen at the worst possible moment?
As I said I try to keep my system up to date, but if I know that I have an important deadline in the near future I'm likely to postpone updates to avoid shooting myself in the foot.
Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
#319We tried to make an internal IoT device using Ubuntu Core and snaps because the capabilities of it were very promising. We started a PoC and about halfway through we hit a major roadblock. Our enterprise network does certificate substitution, and Ubuntu Core absolutely does not allow you to install your own certificates globally, so our devices would never receive updates. We tried EVERY hack we could think up, short…
> [..] didn't seem interested in our fixing our complaints without a massive amount of money [..]
Why is asking for money wrong? You want the feature, why shouldn't you pay for it.
Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
#320We tried to make an internal IoT device using Ubuntu Core and snaps because the capabilities of it were very promising. We started a PoC and about halfway through we hit a major roadblock. Our enterprise network does certificate substitution, and Ubuntu Core absolutely does not allow you to install your own certificates globally, so our devices would never receive updates. We tried EVERY hack we could think up, short…
A colleague of mine was also looking at Ubuntu Core for an IoT project recently, but Ubuntu wanted $15k/y to run a private, branded Snap store - erm.. no. If they really want snaps to succeed, there should be an open source snap store protocol, and 3rd parties should be allowed to run their own stores, just like you can add 3rd part apt repos, for example. We decided on Photon OS, BTW. It's tiny, and perfect for use…
Isn't there some old adage about how if you can't afford something you aren't the target audience. At the larger companies I've worked at you didn't even need approval for 15k/y.