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Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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Post by Longhanks »

rlpb wrote: post #130
capableweb wrote: post #35

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My two cents, you don't have to agree but thought I'd just add a different perspective. I prefer my own package manager (pacman) over snaps for the following reasons: 1) I like to upgrade on my own schedule. I use my computer for work, and I cannot have things break in the middle of the day or in the morning, just as I get started with work. I usually save upgrades for when I less things to do, so that in case stuff…

> I like to upgrade on my own schedule. I use my computer for work, and I cannot have things break in the middle of the day or in the morning, just as I get started with work. You can arrange snapd to update on your preferred schedule. What you cannot do is defer updates forever.

Yes, I can. This is my computer, and if snap does not obey my wishes, it‘s getting removed.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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Post by searchableguy »

stinos wrote: post #133
searchableguy wrote: post #109

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Are linux users regular users?

Some of them, very much. Go have a look in academia where there are hordes of tech-illiterates working on linux just because of reasons like some obscure piece of software working only properly on linux, because the postdoc did it that way, because it's cheaper, because they think it has to be done like that, ... Last lab I was in it was just painful to see how much time was completely lost on trying to get things wo…

Linux subsystem is there on windows. You don't have to use linux for majority of cases. Conda is pretty decent.

But I want to know what specific things they use that can't work on linux subsystem?

Maybe there are some and I don't know about them.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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Post by darren0 »

ohazi wrote: post #115

If you're looking for an alternative to Ubuntu but want to stick with a Debian-based distribution, I'll continue to recommend Debian testing. It's a rolling release, so you don't have to stop what you're doing every 6 months - 3 years to install a huge update that changes the way everything works. It's more stable than the name would suggest, as long as you follow a few reasonable best-practices [1]. Software availab…

I tried going this route and the desktop experience was rough. Debian doesn't seem to have reasonable defaults for fonts so I spent way too much time learning and configuring all the font systems. So literally just the font configuration was enough for me to switch back to Ubuntu and just only install the stuff I like (no snap, gnome).

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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Post by microtonal »

scrappyjoe wrote: post #91
qznc wrote: post #70

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18.04 is supported for three more years. Maybe that will be my Ubuntu countdown.

18.04 has a ten year extended security maintenance life AFAIK, so you could stretch to 2028.

Ubuntu security updates do not cover the universe repository, which contains the largest number of packages. The universe repo is 'community-supported', which means that a lot of CVEs are not fixed in practice.

https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/universe.h...

So, Ubuntu's LTS support is only relevant security-wise if you mostly stick to the main repository.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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Post by ChrisSD »

ohazi wrote: post #115

If you're looking for an alternative to Ubuntu but want to stick with a Debian-based distribution, I'll continue to recommend Debian testing. It's a rolling release, so you don't have to stop what you're doing every 6 months - 3 years to install a huge update that changes the way everything works. It's more stable than the name would suggest, as long as you follow a few reasonable best-practices [1]. Software availab…

Be aware that Testing may get security updates much later than Unstable or Stable.

https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing

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Post by banger180 »

searchableguy wrote: post #109
harrygeez wrote: post #103

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This is a hard problem. And Microsoft didn't have a choice. Given an option regular users will never update their computers, perhaps partly due to fear of what they don't understand, fear of change, or maybe due to past bad update experiences. I witness this in my mom with technology all the time. Every time there's a popup she mini-panics, and she has trained herself to click close every time she sees something she…

Are linux users regular users?

There are many kinds of linux users, just like there are many kinds of windows users.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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Post by thebruce87m »

ohazi wrote: post #115

If you're looking for an alternative to Ubuntu but want to stick with a Debian-based distribution, I'll continue to recommend Debian testing. It's a rolling release, so you don't have to stop what you're doing every 6 months - 3 years to install a huge update that changes the way everything works. It's more stable than the name would suggest, as long as you follow a few reasonable best-practices [1]. Software availab…

Can you use xfce as the window manager easily? Basically all I want is an LTE release of something with xfce or some other “plain” window manager.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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Post by Vogtinator »

jhanschoo wrote: post #100
na85 wrote: post #79

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Gnome has been replicating the worst parts of windows (the registry comes instantly to mind) since the release of Gnome 3.

A centralized location for GNOME config has always been present since GNOME 2 (maybe earlier, but 2 was when I started with GNOME). See, for example, this page https://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/linux_desktop_guides...

dconf is now a binary format though.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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Post by MPSimmons »

kanox wrote: post #46
adrianN wrote: post #45

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Sounds like a solid decision from Canonical tbh. Certificate substitution is terrible.

MITM should be completely illegal. Why does this even need to be stated?

For some situations, it's called for, but it's a huge pain in the ass. I am in a similar situation, and I need to patch every docker image I use. It's terrible to deal with, as an engineer, but the information security team does catch and eliminate a lot of content-based attacks.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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Post by GekkePrutser »

harrygeez wrote: post #103
greendave wrote: post #18

> Auto-updating of snaps can only be deferred at best, until at some point, like Windows, it auto-updates anyway. Even on metered connections, snaps auto-update anyway after some time. This attitude is obnoxious. Yes, not everybody is on a metered connection or running a mission-critical system, but some are, and it is hardly unreasonable to accommodate them.

This is a hard problem. And Microsoft didn't have a choice. Given an option regular users will never update their computers, perhaps partly due to fear of what they don't understand, fear of change, or maybe due to past bad update experiences. I witness this in my mom with technology all the time. Every time there's a popup she mini-panics, and she has trained herself to click close every time she sees something she…

Microsoft did have a choice. They could simply have hidden the disable auto update (and telemetry for that matter!) somewhere deeper in the OS where non-techie users will never find it. Or even a registry key or whatever.
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