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Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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Re: Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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Cars are positive for humans. Dense living conditions like NYC are not sustainable. You burn out. Sometimes you want to get away from all people. Car is essential for this.

Take a bike or train. Or both. It's ridiculous the rest of us have to suffer because people don't want to knock knees with others.

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NYC isn't an example of a human-oriented city. The roads are huge, full of loud traffic, and the cars have priority. Constant sirens and horns in Manhattan, and not much better elsewhere. I'm not sure there is an example of a big, dense human-oriented city, but the closest examples (places like Venice, Ghent, Copenhagen) are wonderful places that have a completely different feel to a city like London or NYC. I don't…

You cite audible concerns which I don’t share. Freedom of movement is my priority now. You don’t get that with shared transport.

Needing an expensive car to get anywhere is the opposite of "freedom of movement." If you live in a car-dependant place, but are unable to drive for any reason (disability, age, poverty, weather, etc.) then you have no freedom of movement. Cars provide the illusion of freedom, because we've reshaped our society to serve them.

Re: Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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You cite audible concerns which I don’t share. Freedom of movement is my priority now. You don’t get that with shared transport.

Needing an expensive car to get anywhere is the opposite of "freedom of movement." If you live in a car-dependant place, but are unable to drive for any reason (disability, age, poverty, weather, etc.) then you have no freedom of movement. Cars provide the illusion of freedom, because we've reshaped our society to serve them.

That makes absolutely no sense. I broke my leg and I was disabled for 6 months. Having a car during that period was essential.

Having a car is a nice luxury. Public transportation is a pain.

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A better way to compare is excess deaths over seasonal average (or last year's seasonal statistic) per million. That does not tell you exactly how many died of covid-19, but is a more useful comparison.

Among the many COVID stat visualization websites out there, are there any which actually provide that statistic?

NYT did something similar to what you are looking for https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronaviru...

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I.d.k. around here we have sworn by a good network of buses and trains. If I feel trapped I hop on the train, in an hour change to a bus, and I am in the middle of nowhere.

You still depend on train service etc for transportation. Being self sufficient is freedom.

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Needing an expensive car to get anywhere is the opposite of "freedom of movement." If you live in a car-dependant place, but are unable to drive for any reason (disability, age, poverty, weather, etc.) then you have no freedom of movement. Cars provide the illusion of freedom, because we've reshaped our society to serve them.

That makes absolutely no sense. I broke my leg and I was disabled for 6 months. Having a car during that period was essential. Having a car is a nice luxury. Public transportation is a pain.

What you find here is that people with broken legs are still regularly walking around using crutches, which is advisable from a health perspective. We do of course have other systems for disabled people to get around if public transport is unsuitable.

But you're right in a way. Driving is more pleasant than public transport, but it's completely not scalable as we've seen over the last 50 years. Rural living isn't scalable globally either except in relatively few countries (USA being one) due to the land and infrastructure constraints. The only reason driving a car and living rural seems affordable is you're not paying for the externalities, and are in a sparsely populated country.

Most people in the world are going to need to live most of their lives in urban built up areas, and it's right that public policy favours the those people, and that is best achieved by discouraging car use in favour of transit, walking and cycling.

If you want to drive a car that's fine, but people who do should pay the costs, and that includes the additional maintenance costs that delivery services should be charged for sending heavy destructive vehicles over rural roads. Kind of like flying first class.

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Hello from Vilnius, the City already has parking zones. As a normal person its very hard to park in the City center. Here is some information: https://www.govilnius.lt/plan-your-trip/getting-around/parki... Also, some streets are already car-free and only delivery vehicals can enter them.

Traffic in Vokieciu, Traku, etc streets is a shit show. I've been advocating for ages the old town needs to be shut completely. It has such an amazing potential if not for stupid cars there. That said, Vilnius needs to improve traffic hotspots a lot. Rush hours exist everywhere, but Vilnius is noticeably bad. Bus lanes needs better isolation too (some form of Rapid Bus implementation).

Well, at least these streets have pavements, but letting cars in the Pilies street (generally a pedestrian street full of tourists) is absolutely ridiculous. Can we start a petition? :)

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This is often problem with comparing covid19 stats, or any stats for that matter.

A better way to compare is excess deaths over seasonal average (or last year's seasonal statistic) per million. That does not tell you exactly how many died of covid-19, but is a more useful comparison.

Agreed that’s the better metric, but there is a long lag before mortality statistics are complete in most places. Most jurisdictions report a lower number immediately, and then continue to revise it up for weeks or even months. If you don’t adjust for this it will look like the jurisdictions that complete their reporting most quickly are the hardest-hit.

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Yep same deal as us, a mix of employer/employee contributions pay for them, they can be used for some items in supermarket (not for things like alcohol) and I think the employer contribution is tax exempt too

I have never heard of this before. It is fascinating to me that health care gets decoupled from employment but eating is considered an employment benefit. I don't really object or anything, it just seems out of character. Wouldn't it be better if the government did this directly by the same logic you'd apply to health care? Making employee meals tax deductible instead of just giving everyone a government funded food…

In France, it's considered an alternative to giving access to a (company-funded) cafeteria, companies are supposed to give one or the other.

Re: Lithuanian capital to be turned into vast open-air cafe

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Hello from Vilnius, the City already has parking zones. As a normal person its very hard to park in the City center. Here is some information: https://www.govilnius.lt/plan-your-trip/getting-around/parki... Also, some streets are already car-free and only delivery vehicals can enter them.

How do they handle disabled residents in those zones?

Presumably with a permit.

Depending on the disability, it's somewhere a disabled person might aim to live, or avoid. No cars is great for someone blind, for example.

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