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YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by ric2b »

skuthus wrote: post #615
dependenttypes wrote: post #583

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> On a privately owned site? Yes, censorship is not exclusive to the government.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. It's pretty cut and dry that it's exclusive to government

Do you think censorship is a concept exclusive to the United States?

It's not:

> Censorship can be conducted by governments, private institutions, and other controlling bodies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by joshuamorton »

twomoretime wrote: post #517
joshuamorton wrote: post #452

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What makes these two doctors experts in epidemiology and statistics?

Do you really trust YouTube to make that decision? That's the whole point. I'm not actually interested in the credentials on either side - merely pointing out that YouTube is doing far more harm than good in choosing a side. Society would be far better off without their curation.

No, you claimed "an expert made a statement". I want to clarify. No expert made a statement on youtube. Two nonexperts made statements, and Youtube removed them, presumably at the behest of experts (like the WHO, whom youtube is using to set guidelines on removable content).

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by kerkeslager »

klyrs wrote: post #626
runawaybottle wrote: post #539

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Well, in that case, this is unacceptable going forward. We’re going to need a Youtube clone that has a better charter for content creators, and viewers alike.

Nothing's stopping you from making ChanTube, GabTube, or whatever you find "acceptable". But, if it gets popular, be prepared to take down illegal content, filter spam, get sued by copyright holders, etc. until it looks a lot more like youtube than you intended. Or, y'know, break under the weight of the consequences of harmful speech without substantial ad income since most advertisers won't want to associate with yo…

You're right: this is a great example of the free market not solving a problem. Which is only a relevant point if you think the free market is the only way to solve problems.

A decentralized video platform not under the control of a centralized company would bypass all the issues you mention. There are technological challenges, but we've made slow progress toward solutions over the past few decades.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by ric2b »

hatsunearu wrote: post #451
blisterpeanuts wrote: post #361

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Suppose you're right. Does it justify censorship? Fauci can defend himself, and the docs are welcome to express their opinions. What gives Google/YouTube the justification to silence them?

At what point do you say shit is objectively, legitimately harmful, and has literally negative value to society and humanity? Does this deserve punishment? I'd say yes.

It does not deserve punishement, it deserves correction. Punishing speech is a dangerous game.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by skuthus »

thdrdt wrote: post #520
Barrin92 wrote: post #376

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>What gives Google/YouTube the justification to silence them? The fact that it is their platform. >Fauci can defend himself, Fauci is a 79 year old man busy working 20 hours a day trying to stop more people from dying, he doesn't have the time to debunk garbage on the internet. Youtube is completely within their rights to remove dangerous disinformation from their platform and I hope they take an agressive stance goi…

I know it's their platform so they can do what they want. But why not show a warning like "the following content has false and dangerous information"? Now it is gone so it can't be discussed. And I also think you take away responsibility of the viewers if they don't need to be critical about any information.

I think if you disagree with what they have done, you should express that fully and also stop using the platform in favor of others who share your views.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by mixmastamyk »

henrikschroder wrote: post #559
mixmastamyk wrote: post #254

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Deadlier but not excessively so. Flu is vaccinated against.

This doesn't help your argument. We accept people dying from the flu every year, because vaccines and other measures have pushed the death rate low enough. It is also very rare that young people die from the flu, and since there is a vaccine there is an element of personal responsibility. In comparison, unmitigated covid-19 seems to be 5x-10x deadlier than a regular mitigated flu, and covid-19 cases requires a lot mo…

5x-10x * ~0 is not a huge difference in practice. Flu is also contained towards the winter, what would it do for the whole year?

I've already had the virus and known several friends to have it, we're not spring chickens, but were otherwise healthy. Our daughters didn't even get it, sons were mild. So fear mongering about the young is not very compelling.

Lockdowns are useful in big dense cities, they make a lot less sense in sparser areas. One size does not fit all.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by dang »

hn_check wrote: post #96
s9w wrote: post #3

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I guess the bigger question about this is what possible reasons to remove there could be. The video itself is pretty famous now and available in many places.

Because YouTube is already known as one of the worst cancers on the internet, and has allowed the stupid to herd and multiply. Flat Earth. Pizzagate. Soros conspiracies. Chemtrails. Anti-vaccers. These were all laughable fringe things that the disturbed came up with. Then YouTube came along and suddenly the stupid were discovering one another, confirming each other's idiocy. YouTube is probably a little tired of this…

No one banned you. Your comment was affected by user flags and software. Rightly so, as you've been trolling up a storm (or trying to), and using multiple accounts to do it.

Obviously, though, if you keep posting like this then we will have to ban you. If we don't, people will complain about us privileging you, as we ban other accounts for less and you're breaking the site guidelines badly: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Comments such as "dang -the enabler of right-wing asshats", "HN is a cesspool of anti-intellectual MAGA blowhards" (https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=hn_check), "only far-right anti-science, anti-intellectual noise" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23014140) are helpful in a way. They go nicely with "The mods here are radical liberals", "left-wing propaganda", "dang is an SJW cunt", etc. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22920602) and are handy for balancing the binary tree (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22784216).

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by slashdev »

eloff wrote: post #607
vharuck wrote: post #210

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>By that logic can they remove videos claiming masks are effective at protecting yourself and society from the virus? Cry wolf when this actually happens. I try not to be dismissive, but the repeated harping about masks strikes me as a lack of original thought at best and a coordinated smear campaign at face value. We get it: the WHO should've recommended masks full-throatedly. But your interpretation that a YouTube…

I doubt it will be, or least I hope not. But at some point they'll cross the line, they may have already done so and I just don't know about it. I don't like censorship. It's dangerous. It's the tool of choice of authoritarians everywhere. Free speech, even of opinions we find distasteful or downright ugly, is still worth upholding.

I want to add that hate speech is a different thing, but where one draws the line there is also a slippery slope.

Look at deplatforming of people like Steven Pinker or Jordan Peterson to see how actually quite moderate, well reasoned, well spoken people are getting censored. That's a disturbing trend.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by joenot443 »

CreepGin wrote: post #512
ColanR wrote: post #447

It's too bad that we are so quick to silence those who we perceive as wrong. Apparently, the doctors in the video were using incorrect facts; I wouldn't know, the video is gone. Discussion is being prohibited, wherever there is an approved expert to say the viewpoint is wrong. If dissention is labelled dangerous, and dissenting voices on important subjects are silenced, then we are creating an echo chamber with no re…

I watched the video and I think there are both good and bad in it. I want to list them here for others to consider. The wrongful: 1) They extrapolated non-randomized sample to be somehow indicative of the whole State's population (CA and NY were mentioned I believe). 2) They concluded that the COVID-19 death rate is similar to that of the regular flu. The valid: 1) They made the point that it's impossible for the cur…

> 2) They are pretty much full-on Dwight-mode, calling for no social distancing and not wearing masks (in attempt to boost one's immune system).

As a software engineer with very little knowledge of immunology, can someone with more insight explain whether there's any merit to the concept of "boosting" one's immune system like that?

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by Clubber »

0xff00ffee wrote: post #460
Clubber wrote: post #442

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I don't think either side wants to help people, other than their donors.

I guess if you go through life with your eyes closed, or only listening to one side, then I can see how you'd think that. There's no place to start with someone as ignorant as you. Literally, I could list all of the ways the US left has helped improved the quality of living, and all the ways the US right has actively hurt people and you'd shrug and still spout the same ignorant comments. So all I have left for you an…

>Literally, I could list all of the ways the US left has helped improved the quality of living

Yes, please list the ways the left has helped improve the quality of living for the US. I'd prefer the list only be things that occurred this century. Lip service doesn't count either. Sanders is the only one I can think of that's done anything, and The Party shut him out twice.

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