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I don't think so. And his tweets aren't really aging well... https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1240754657263144960

He also implied there won't be more than 0.1% of the US population infected overall, https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1239755145233289217

I don’t see that. The paper he linked to in that tweet is a high level review of treatment options.

Where exactly do you see him saying that total prevalence would be 0.1%?

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#142
post #94

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I think the key is to allow enough intellectual diversity on the left so that someone like musk doesn't get pushed so easily into an outsider. Being antirepublican, antiTrump and antilockdown is a valid position.

But how antilockdown? Like, everyone can do what they want, no new rules, back to pre-covid? I think that voluntary-only measures will cost a LOT of lives. I think everyone agrees more restriction == more lives saved, this is the classic argument for antiterrorism. Where people are diverging is where the best place to draw that line. Maybe everyone should begin with a disclaimer of how many people they are willing to…

Well, and being able to balance the fact that the massive spike in unemployment and economic collapse will actually result in lives lost.

That human aspect doesn't seem to be figured in to the situation; as though it is a matter of only money vs life. But the collapse will kill, too.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#143
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What's the context of this tweet? Is he just trolling?

Well, considering how he answers to other people in the feed, or the 2 precedent tweets (« Give people their freedom back!» and « Bravo Texas! » regarding a news saying business reopen in Texas), if it’s trolling, it’s a big one.

He also worked on the ventilator problem. He clearly understands the pandemic problem so this tweet is a little dissonant.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#144

Writing from the Netherlands. I believe the American rhetoric has fully been divided between the "if you aren't careful, you are killing people" on the left and "open the economy" on the right. I'm surprised that it isn't clear why the left is in an extremely dangerous position. They can't win unless lots of people are dying. Otherwise, the non-zoom working class will vote in anyone who prioritizes the economy. Isn't…

This seems pretty biased. To say some group of people who are sacrificing too much for caution "can't win unless lots of people are dying" is mischaracterizing. It's also kind of silly that you've omitted the accusation of killing from the right's position ("open the economy") when the economic danger is "a civilization-wide existential threat".

Ok, I'll bite. How is it mischaracterizing? I just don't see how the left can beat Trump, if Trump is advocating for opening up. Especially if the economy stays closed and he is fighting to open it up, he will especially look good. The options are, from my view:

Either the economy opens and people die (trump loses), it opens and people don't die (trump wins), the economy stays closed and people die (trump wins) or the economy stays closed and people don't die (trump wins)

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#145
post #117

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Just because Congress didn't make the gubernatorial orders doesn't excuse state governors from these constitutional rights violations.

>Just because Congress didn't make the gubernatorial orders doesn't excuse state governors from these constitutional rights violations. They aren't constitutional rights violations by definition. Congress (and, explicitly, as written, only Congress as a body) is prevented from passing laws at a national level forcing states to violate their citizens' right to speech and assembly, but states have the right to do so of…

> They aren't constitutional rights violations by definition.

IANAL, but pretty sure that’s not how it works. Articles incorporated against the State prevent the State from passing laws that violate the Article.

The Attorney General specifically has told the DOJ to be on the lookout for over-reach by the States in these lockdown orders.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#146

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You understand that they're at home too? Just look at the unemployment stats. Most of American production is automated. Its middle-level folk keeping America running. Cherry-picked examples notwithstanding.

uh, no they're not. do you think the chicken fairy is depositing frozen birds in your supermarket? your existence is secured by a chain of people who haven't achieved the level yet for "is it safe for me to go to work?" to even register as a question

And by non-essential workers staying home it frees more hospital beds for those more at-risk and exposed.

That’s literally the point of shelter in place.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#147
post #141
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He also implied there won't be more than 0.1% of the US population infected overall, https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1239755145233289217

I don’t see that. The paper he linked to in that tweet is a high level review of treatment options . Where exactly do you see him saying that total prevalence would be 0.1%?

You're right! Wrong link, and I can't find the correct one on twitter. But he also said it elsewhere, like in this letter to tesla employees: https://electrek.co/2020/03/17/elon-musk-tesla-coronavirus-p...

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#148
post #134

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The Patriot Act violates my personal right to secrecy. Stop lights violate my personal right to cross intersections as I please. And on and on. Welcome to civilized society, sorry it's such an inconvenience.

Yes, In a society, a right is being uphold because the side who support it, successfully fight and defend it. >The Patriot Act violates my personal right to secrecy. Stop lights violate my personal right to cross intersections as I please. And on and on. You don't have those right because you fail to successfully fight and defend it Thats why elon musk is making the tweet, to fight and defend his rights. Welcome to s…

Well, he won't get that right. People are not stupid enough.

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#149
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the key is to allow enough intellectual diversity on the left so that someone like musk doesn't get pushed so easily into an outsider. Being antirepublican, antiTrump and antilockdown is a valid position.

But how antilockdown? Like, everyone can do what they want, no new rules, back to pre-covid? I think that voluntary-only measures will cost a LOT of lives. I think everyone agrees more restriction == more lives saved, this is the classic argument for antiterrorism. Where people are diverging is where the best place to draw that line. Maybe everyone should begin with a disclaimer of how many people they are willing to…

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Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#150

He might just want to do it as e.g Germany does it. i.e. basically opening most smaller and some bigger businesses. shops with limited people at the same time, masks, hygiene procedures etc. schools more or less closed until end of summer. Though Germany already has receding numbers for a while now, US is still a little behind. Total number of cases vs deaths is (if counted and reported correctly in worldometers) qui…

I actually heard Germany’s infection rate has now increased directly related to their reopening (before R0 was <1 now it is ~1?)

I read that too but actually the case augmentation is not statistically significant yet (comparing d1 and d2 after the reopening is not enough). You'll have to wait until at least d4 to have a better idea and i think they can manage to wait until week two to decide to either go for herd immunity (at R0 ~ 1 this is viable, deadly but viable for healthcare workers) or lock their country for a month again.
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