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#61

I love how billionaires with their private jets and 40,000 square foot homes want every body else to go back to work

and I love how many privileged middle class people are smugly calling to press pause on civilization from the comfort of their homes which they can only do because a faceless army of poor people keeps them fed and cared for

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#62

Writing from the Netherlands. I believe the American rhetoric has fully been divided between the "if you aren't careful, you are killing people" on the left and "open the economy" on the right. I'm surprised that it isn't clear why the left is in an extremely dangerous position. They can't win unless lots of people are dying. Otherwise, the non-zoom working class will vote in anyone who prioritizes the economy. Isn't…

Another thing ignored by the modern left, who claim to speak out for minority populations, is that authoritarian regimes have historically divided, arrested, restricted, imprisoned, and outright murdered minorities. To be consistent with their claims, they should be terrified of anything approaching authoritarianism.

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Writing from the Netherlands. I believe the American rhetoric has fully been divided between the "if you aren't careful, you are killing people" on the left and "open the economy" on the right. I'm surprised that it isn't clear why the left is in an extremely dangerous position. They can't win unless lots of people are dying. Otherwise, the non-zoom working class will vote in anyone who prioritizes the economy. Isn't…

From what I've seen, the non-Zoom working class is the group most against re-opening. They're the one's most at risk from the virus.

Maybe it's different in the Netherlands. But here there seems to be a lot of contempt for not being able to do construction, cut hair or otherwise work.

Luckily, the weather is nice, which generally puts people in good spirits.

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#64
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's probably because the fremont factory stay at home order is extendend till end of may ? Thats crazy. It's about time to reopen the economy.

Based on what data?

Based on economy going to the ruin and risking people life.

Prolong lockdown will reduce your immune system as well.

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's probably because the fremont factory stay at home order is extendend till end of may ? Thats crazy. It's about time to reopen the economy.

Based on what data?

Based on the drop in cases, ludicrously low infection and death rates, the need to balance healthcare system burden with a speedy development of herd immunity,and the economic devastation.

People can’t just say “it’s worth it if we save just one life”. Bullshit. Everything requires context, and being under lockdown has its own severe consequences. Including the loss of life.

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Writing from the Netherlands. I believe the American rhetoric has fully been divided between the "if you aren't careful, you are killing people" on the left and "open the economy" on the right. I'm surprised that it isn't clear why the left is in an extremely dangerous position. They can't win unless lots of people are dying. Otherwise, the non-zoom working class will vote in anyone who prioritizes the economy. Isn't…

The big mistake is to see this as question of left and right and winning or loosing.

Actual lifes are on the line, Italy was a disaster. I totally get it why we should avoid sometihng similar at all costs.

Up to now, politics followed science, which is not a clear-cut balck-or-white thing. Science is ambigious, especially with stuff like a new virus. Now, I see a lot of movement against that. From the press, from politicians (predminantely, but not exclusively from the conservatives), from celebrities. I, for my part, would rather hear and read from epidemiologists and the like than from theater producers. One of the latter group got a huge article in Der Spiegel this week.

The dangerous thing is, as soon as discussions about easing restrictions started in Germany people got more mobile and started to care less. Germany got through all this rather well so far, due to a combination of reasonable actions, luck and a above average testing capacities and ICU beds. I hope the pro-opening people are right, and nothing will happen due to lifted restrictions. But if they are not we might regret the opining in a couple of weeks.

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#67
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NY, NJ, PA, CT, and MA have 53% of cases. It’s time to stop treating this like every state or region is in the same situation. Edit: Some people apparently need to be reminded that Europe is a place. Individual countries are reopening as they see fit based on how they are handling the virus. It honestly is starting to feel like some people prefer the pain than the idea of safely reopening certain states and regions.

Very impressive that the virus acknowledges state boundaries.

People aren’t flying. Your comment is meant for laughs but states and regions are in completely different situations.

And please tell your joke to Europe, and Germany in particular.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#68

Easy to dismiss him because of his wealth or other prejudices you may have of him. "Free America Now" raises an incredibly important debate that all lockdown-ridden countries should be having. Were lockdowns constitutional? Were lockdowns effective? Could other measured responses have achieved similar outcomes? Were lockdowns done in vain? And have we set a dangerous precedent? Bunch of questions. Don't flame him or…

> "Free America Now" raises an incredibly important debate that all lockdown-ridden countries should be having.

That debate is already happening, so, no, shit posting like this isn't starting it and certainly not participating in it.

Don't pretend this tweet is what it isn't.

Re: Free America Now (@elonmusk)

#69

Writing from the Netherlands. I believe the American rhetoric has fully been divided between the "if you aren't careful, you are killing people" on the left and "open the economy" on the right. I'm surprised that it isn't clear why the left is in an extremely dangerous position. They can't win unless lots of people are dying. Otherwise, the non-zoom working class will vote in anyone who prioritizes the economy. Isn't…

This seems pretty biased. To say some group of people who are sacrificing too much for caution "can't win unless lots of people are dying" is mischaracterizing. It's also kind of silly that you've omitted the accusation of killing from the right's position ("open the economy") when the economic danger is "a civilization-wide existential threat".
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