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India coronavirus: The 'mystery' of low Covid-19 death rates

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I agree with you. The condescending tone by Western media towards India is awful and disgusting. The reality is probably that it's a combination of doing the lockdown well and the disease being far less deadly than initially thought due to very high asymptomatic infection rates. The latter is an emerging fact that the media here are in denial over. Therefore, they think India must be undercounting or something else.…

NYC certainly got hit bad, but I wouldn't say it's the only badly hit city. Here is deaths/total pop for some other cities >1mil population which I would also call "hit hard". NYC: 1.07‰ New Orleans: 0.65‰ Detroit: 0.60‰ Boston: 0.44‰ Source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/03/upshot/corona...

I think you're off by a factor of 10 in your numbers

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Typical city dwelling urbanite bugman attitude. There's never been a time when people weren't speeding at every chance, and there's never been a safer time to do it. Pretty sure if you continue to hide in your apartment you'll be safe from the bad people who are driving faster than the 1950s norm. LICENSES REVOKED, he says, SHOULD NEVER DRIVE AGAIN. You sound like an old church lady waving an umbrella.

So you come across pandemics and traffic accident risks and your response is you want to stay drunk on adrenaline.

So you come across comments on HN and your response is that you want to blow them out of proportion

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Typical city dwelling urbanite bugman attitude. There's never been a time when people weren't speeding at every chance, and there's never been a safer time to do it. Pretty sure if you continue to hide in your apartment you'll be safe from the bad people who are driving faster than the 1950s norm. LICENSES REVOKED, he says, SHOULD NEVER DRIVE AGAIN. You sound like an old church lady waving an umbrella.

If a person can't restrain themself from driving over 100mph, they don't have the temperament to drive on public roads. They're just a sociopathic child with twisted priorities and no self control. What I find especially strange is how these people think they are somehow special and exempt from the law. They are not special, no matter how fast their vroom vroom machine can go.

100 mph is 160 kph. Yes, you lose your license for that most places. That's not "speeding", it's street racing.

Which is also fun, but I won't defend it, as I've restrained myself from doing so for quite a long time now. Stupid kids are going to do what they're going to do, though, and the threat of losing their license probably won't make much difference.

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I'm guessing you live in Hyderabad. Clearly your street is not a hotspot, and you really shouldn't be extrapolating from it to the rest of India. As far as people having it while being asymptomatic, that is unfalsifiable until they are tested.

Don't think I mentioned anything to generalize. Just what I observed in my city (Chennai) in my street. What I was implying is that perhaps things did go okay in terms of slowing the spread in India: of course, there's probably more spread than is being reported, but that seems par for course everywhere. I'm only worried that the lockdown is going to significantly affect the poorer communities worse at the expense of…

It’s not your fault. This kind of positive outcome just isn’t acceptable to a lot of people so they’re going to at best claim you’re the exception and at worst that you’re fudging the numbers.

Today’s fashion is drama and any not hysteric action must end in doom and gloom.

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Minor nitpick on reporting : literally every person they quoted with Indian sounding names live and work outside of India. And the lone Indian source they quoted, Prof Reddy, was the only one who lived in India and he was the only one who was not skeptical of the numbers. Not one expert from India was used in the article,besides Prof. Reddy, which is a relatively open society.

Wow, I just noticed this after you pointed it out. I have learned to take news with a huge pinch of salt. Many of the "reputed" establishments fail miserably when covering India or China. If you are writing an opinion piece, fine. But whatever happened to nuance and covering multiple PoVs? I think with Covid it is really important for us to wait and watch and stop competing.

In case of China, they report it with fear and respect. In case of India it is a case of only one sided reporting and agenda building wrapped in fine English prose and intellectual arrogance.

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>It's also arguable that the central government is responsible for the coverup activities by the Wuhan officials, because they're the ones who've created and sustained the system those local officials operate in. I like this line of thinking, I think it better reflects reality then the often heard knee-jerk reaction assuming that China is an evil monolith. I wonder sometimes why I bristle at the comments painting Chi…

The US can make mistakes and guess what - the political oppression and police abuse in China is still nothing short of evil.

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India going all Wuhan on the virus. The difference between India and the US particularly is that it's lockdown lite in USA while it's full on there. You can't take a walk, you can't drive farther than 3 KM, cops will kick your butt and impound your vehicle. And the population by and large listens, while we have morons here who want lockdown eased to get haircuts.

there is no evidence for that whatsoever. You have absolutely no data on what takes place in India - it is a gigantic country with gigantic variation across. Plus the families are much larger, all confined together. When the train was shut down millions traveled back home for days on packed buses, it unlikely that any lockdown could have had such a pronounced effect so quickly. The truth probably lies elsewhere, perh…

They simply don't test and don't count. There is a strong incentive to show low numbers at state level. They conduct covid test on everyone who come to hospital for any reason, but not anyone outside hospital.

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> These are interesting strategies, are there places to read more? Here's WEF's report on India's cluster-containment strategy[1]. >Most of my Indian friends are the South and wealthy India of Wealthy is radically different from others, Just $77,000 is required to be at the top 1% in the country[2]. > my province in Canada has imported 16 cases from India, That's indeed very interesting. India stopped International f…

Regarding [5], it says infection rate but talks about absolute number of cases. Which isn't a big surprise to be second in, India is a big country.

I'm not entirely sure what you expected from 'infection rate', it is the terminology being used every where to signify the number of infections.

If you wanted to know, 'how many people does a single person spread the infection' i.e. R0 or R-Naught; then it has come down to 1.55 on 11th April from 1.83 on 6th April[6].

[6] https://theprint.in/science/r0-data-shows-indias-coronavirus...

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India going all Wuhan on the virus. The difference between India and the US particularly is that it's lockdown lite in USA while it's full on there. You can't take a walk, you can't drive farther than 3 KM, cops will kick your butt and impound your vehicle. And the population by and large listens, while we have morons here who want lockdown eased to get haircuts.

I'm in Canada (west coast). No restrictions on driving. People are still taveling to their cabins on the weekend. They get yelled at by other people but are not breaking any laws. My neighourhood is full of elderly people walking their dogs. Bicylists are everywhere. Restaurants never stopped doing takeout. But we cannot get haircuts. Cops have stopped speed enforcement in my area, at least the dedicated speed traps.

I'm in Western Canada, too. Seeing the same thing here.

Cases keep dropping, regardless.

I suspect a late cold snap and some snow a month ago, followed by a lot of rains in the last couple weeks, have also helped.

Calgary is having trouble -- that's where most of the cases are in AB -- but case load across AB and Western provinces is stable and below projections.

edit: cases in the province, via the CBC:

Calgary zone: 3,366

South zone: 685

Edmonton zone: 486

North zone: 202

Central zone: 84

Unknown: 27

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/covid-19-deena-hinsh...

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Do you think speaking the way you do is actually helpful or positively contributes to the conversation?

I found it productive.

What exactly is productive about using terms like "Trumptards?"
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