Curious that this video gets removed given that YouTube is chuck full of COVID19 videos that are wrong, dangerous, racist (often at the same time), some with millions of views, all fully covered in random advertisement.
YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
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Fuck this reply and everything it represents. I truly detest this madness and everyone who believe in such warped nonsense. One giant pile of argument from authority bullcrap. This idea that only narrow set of domain experts can speak up about something is blatantly insane. You are not an epidemiologist either, so by the same token, you don´t have the right to criticize anything anyone says, yet here you are. So mayb…
> epidemiologists are not statisticians Err... what was it you think epidemiologists do?
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#413This edges a little close to state media. Of course it’s not the same, but if the guiding philosophy is ‘we cannot trust the public with certain information, for it’s own good’, then we’ve adopted whatever the hell they do in non-free countries. Very bad precedent, very Un-American. Edit: As an arrogant American, I forgot to consider that this might be a global Youtube policy.
Either way, you’re not “free”. At least with state censorship, there’s a formal hierarchy of authority. There’s the law, and some semblance of duty to the public. With corporate censorship, it’s ethereal, anarchic, and less accountable. The rules are opaque, the deciders are unknown, and the only duty is maximizing shareholder profit. As a serf, I’d be happier knowing who to blame.
I believe once upon a time we used to just call this ‘blaming the man’.
Edit: Anyway, I’ll add to your point. As a company, Google has no issue censoring it’s product in China as opposed to other countries. It sounds almost trite to bring up, but Google censors the Tiananmen Square massacre for the CCP.
With this in mind, what sincere values does Google hold on censorship?
So ya, you’re right, corporate accountability on censorship is basically non existent (and you can trace it back to the fact that they probably don’t have values to even hold accountable).
Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
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YouTube has the right to censor anything it likes. It's their platform. If you don't like it, don't use YouTube.
Should they have that right though? YouTube is owned by a Google, a massive, publicly-traded corporation with near-monopoly power. Are the best interests of society served by allowing it to be governed in an authoritarian, totalitarian fashion, or would it make sense, considering it is one of the most powerful mediums of speech ever created, to let it be governed by rules somewhat approximating the much-lauded, tradi…
The idea a private company should be forced to use their resources to host content they deem harmful to humanity seems obviously wrong. Of course they should have the right.
YouTube is not a public service.
"Free speech" does not mean you also are entitled to a platform and an audience.
Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
#415Youtube has actually been censoring content it does not agree with for quite a while, and unless it hurts us in some personal way, we have been ok with it getting away. eg., Youtube has been censoring a lot of conservative content. They won in court[1] Youtube cannot have it both ways. Either they are a publisher and if so, must be fully responsible for the content they host. Or they are a platform, and they need to…
> Youtube cannot have it both ways. Either they are a publisher and if so, must be fully responsible for the content they host. Or they are a platform, and they need to be neutral.
As demonstrated by the court case you mention, that is false. I am surprised how tightly people cling to this notion, which has no basis in reality.
Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
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We can make a pretty good estimate of COVID deaths by comparing against past years. There's a clear, large spike - NYC's death rate is six times the average for this time of year. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronav... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/27/upshot/corona... Giving that we're still low on tests, if someone dies before a test of COVID-like symptoms, it makes sense to co…
Couldn’t the spike in nyc deaths be inflated due to the standard operating procedure of using mechanical ventilators for which 9 of 10 patients die [1]? Wasn’t there a big fuss (several articles posted here) about how mechanical ventilators were overused when less invasive methods produced better outcomes, therefore reducing mortality[2]? [1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/almost-9-... [2] https:/…
That's kind of incompatible with the critique 2 posts up. They asked if we could have "false positive" deaths because dead people with covid-like symptoms are labeled as covid deaths even when they are not tested (e.g. after dying at home). The people on ventilators were ones in hospitals that were treated as covid patients, those were likely to be tested - and the problem that people on ventilators have a low chance to make it is specific to covid (which is why we are seeing this, ventilators have existed for a long time, usually they don't kill people which is why it became standard operating procedure, unfortunately with covid they seem to trigger something bad ...)
Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
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Suppose you're right. Does it justify censorship? Fauci can defend himself, and the docs are welcome to express their opinions. What gives Google/YouTube the justification to silence them?
YouTube has the right to censor anything it likes. It's their platform. If you don't like it, don't use YouTube.
I look forward to a world where platforms are less afraid to kick off the voices they don’t like. The world would be better with 50 YouTubes rather than just one.
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> I did not get the chance to see the video before it was taken down I suppose that’s the real problem, in so many words...
I did watch the video and the critique by brlewis is perfectly accurate.
But why should we believe you? Why can't we watch and make our own judgements?
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#419Earlier quoted context omitted.
Either way, you’re not “free”. At least with state censorship, there’s a formal hierarchy of authority. There’s the law, and some semblance of duty to the public. With corporate censorship, it’s ethereal, anarchic, and less accountable. The rules are opaque, the deciders are unknown, and the only duty is maximizing shareholder profit. As a serf, I’d be happier knowing who to blame.
I believe once upon a time we used to just call this ‘blaming the man ’. Edit: Anyway, I’ll add to your point. As a company, Google has no issue censoring it’s product in China as opposed to other countries. It sounds almost trite to bring up, but Google censors the Tiananmen Square massacre for the CCP. With this in mind, what sincere values does Google hold on censorship? So ya, you’re right, corporate accountabili…
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#420Not only were they completely wrong with their numbers, they even were wrong in their assessment of Fauci. They said they “are actually seeing the patients, Dr Fauci hasn’t seen a patient in 20 years.” In 2015, Dr Fauci personally helped take care of an Ebola patient when most of the world was terrified of Ebola. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/03/why-nihs-anthony-fau...
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