YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

Post by shkkmo » Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 3:33 AM UTC

TechBro8615 wrote: post #278

briefcomment wrote: post #167

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Can someone address the claim that death certificates coerce doctors to list COVID as the cause of death even if it hasn't been shown definitively to be the case? Is this a thing?

Given that the federal government is paying hospitals between $13,000 (covid patient) and $39,000 (patient on ventilator) for every Coronavirus patient [0], you can see how the incentives might cause hospitals to coerce doctors into listing COVID as cause of death. [0] https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/21/facebook-p...

Post by 0xff00ffee » Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 3:35 AM UTC

kolanos wrote: post #325

0xff00ffee wrote: post #304

The number of people in this thread defending the right to spread billionaire-funded lies, propaganda, and misinformation under the guise of free-speech is drop-dead astonishing. Like, I can see why civilization could fail on a massive scale if a critical mass of the population starts to believe the opposite of the truth, and declares war on those trying to explain.

Are you referring to Bill Gates?

Post by AnthonyMouse » Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 3:35 AM UTC

shkkmo wrote: post #283

kolanos wrote: post #230

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Did you watch the video or are you just basing this on out of context quotes? What you're quoting was a brief anecdote about what those doctors were seeing on the ground. Their extrapolations are based on state-level aggregates in New York and California. Sample sizes of 300-650K patients.

I did watch the video and I can safely say that these doctors make massive and very convenient statistic mistakes throughout. Sample size doesn't help if the sampling method is biased. Even if tests were available to everyone regardless of symptoms, you would still have a selection bias that would skew the numbers. The only way to accurately estimate overall infection rates in the general population is to test a rand…

Post by brlewis » Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 3:37 AM UTC

kolanos wrote: post #311

vannevar wrote: post #291

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I did watch the video. At about the 5-minute mark, they make a huge error in extrapolating the percent positive of tests to the general population (in California, 12% positive test rate). As many others have pointed out, that is an inexcusable error that leads them to an wildly erroneous conclusion about the mortality rate of COVID-19. Recent antibody tests in Santa Clara County and Los Angeles showed a rate around 2…

I'm not saying these doctors are correct in their statistical extrapolations. What I am saying is the Kern County anecdote being spread around to discredit them by people who haven't even seen the video are practicing in the disinformation that they accuse these doctors of perpetrating.

Post by throw_away2 » Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 3:37 AM UTC

brink wrote: post #184

necubi wrote: post #162

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New York has >50x deaths per capita as SF, which sheltered-in-place a week earlier (and which had been steadily moving in that direction for two weeks prior).

This could be a different story a year from now, where NY ripped the band-aid off and achieved herd immunity long before SF, and SF took a much longer time resulting in a longer economical slump and still similar deaths over a longer period of time. I'm not saying it will be that way, but it's worth considering.