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YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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And that's recorded cases. There might be people who died from Covid-19 who weren't tested post-mortem, especially in February when the virus was flying under the radar. NYTimes had an article which showed a number of places around the world have had a surge in deaths compared to the same time period in previous years. And even if you subtract the known Covid-19 cases, there's still a sharp increase in the count.

That's the exact opposite of what's happened. The number of deaths being reported includes "probable deaths". It's even more than the actual confirmed cases. Look at the graph on the last page for NYC for example: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-d...

Just because they are counting probable deaths does not mean they aren't also undercounting the true deaths. Given the rate of testing confirmed is clearly Excess death data so far suggests that they are indeed undercounting true deaths. While it is certainly possible lockdown has caused some additional immediate deaths, it is also likely other deaths (eg decreased car accidents) have gone down. So it will require further analysis once this is all said and done and more data is available, but my money is that the US has undercounted deaths thus far.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Are you OK with Google and other coorporations curating The Truth? Think about your kids! Do you want these people shaping what your children think? Put your money where your mouth is. Stop using them.

The time has come for a youtube alternative that can scale and is decentralized.

https://lbry.tv/Dr.-Erickson-COVID-19-Briefing:e1

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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I dont get this mindset. They aren't stopping them voicing their opinions or views... they're just stopping them posting it on THEIR service. Newspapers do that all the time, TV and Radio does it all the time. Why is this different?

> Newspapers do that all the time, TV and Radio does it all the time. And that's why newspapers are classified as publishers and therefore are able to be sued. "Platforms" like YouTube are can't be sued because they are supposed to act like platforms - which they are not. Right now YouTube is acting like publishers while using the advantage of being called a platform. This is the Communications Decency Act section 23…

That would mean compelling them to host all content, including child pornography and calls to commit terrorism.

That is clearly nonsense.

The CDA doesn’t say “in order to not be liable you must host everything regardless of what it is” it allows you to host potentially anything that is uploaded without being considered directly liable for that (which would be far more censorious)

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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But that misses the point. The very fact that a few people at Google/Youtube have the power to censor whomever they want for whatever reason they choose is a problem in itself. Are the doctors in the video saying untruths or misrepresenting data? I think what they said in the video was eminently reasonable. But perhaps I'm wrong. Luckily we have the freedom to publicly critique their claims - assuming our critiques a…

If you were a bit more self aware you would realise how hypocritical you are. You want your freedom to communicate what you want. But you don't want Google/Youtube to have their freedom. They are a private website who should have the right to host whatever content they choose and free to look after their own interests. And remember nobody is stopping you from exercising your freedom to host whatever content you like…

So we just need to build our own Google or YouTube? That shouldn't be too hard /sarc

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Like the British BBC and the Australian ABC, (and more?), the CBC is at arms length from the currently serving government, and was setup intentionally to be independent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporat...

Australians trust the ABC more than any other media outlets by quite a large margin too.

One of the reasons why the liberals (the Australian Conservative party) have been trying to gut and defund them.

They are much happier with the murdoch press, who had headlines like "vote this bastards out" (don't remember the exact phrase but it was direct like that) as a headline some years ago arguing to vote out the Labour government.

It's always interesting to see how some people always argue that news sources should be neutral and report only on facts if there are some left leaning opinions published, but completely ignore the blatant electioneering that goes on in the murdoch press.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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This level of reporting is pretty par for the course in US media. It's just reporting what happened without much commentary. And really, the idea that news media need to herd their audience into thinking the right things is ridiculous. It's a news article, not an editorial.

I agree that it’s not the job of news media to herd their audience into thinking the right things. However, it is their duty to uncover and report the truth. “If someone says it's raining, and another person says it's dry, it's not your job to quote them both. Your job is to look out the [expletive] window and find out which is true” -Jonathan Foster

The author of this article probably doesn't have the expertise to find and interpret the data to make a judgment about what the doctors in question are saying. Quoting others is really the best can do. Sometimes there really is just no window look through.

And even if they did that it wouldn't really serve what the author here is trying to cover. This is an article about Youtube censoring two doctors. The reason why is relevant (and they quote Youtube's reasoning) but it's not the main story.

Not that the article is amazing, but it's just frustrating people are piling on because it's not the story they wanted the author to write.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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post #27

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The data presented by the two doctors is fresh, and shows exactly what the paper says. COVID-19 is not worse than the flu.

The “data presented by the two doctors” has obvious reasoning errors to anyone who has taken even high school math. At this point, how can you look at the number of people who died from COVID-19 in just the last month in NYC and claim this is no worse than the flu? https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/27/upshot/corona... The last flu to cause such a severe spike in mortality statistics was the devastating 1918…

The death counts rise extremely quickly, but also drop quickly as well. The total amount of deaths is represented by the area of under the graph, not the maximum. This is a tall, but narrow spike.

Also, bear in mind that you're being very selective with your data: you're picking out one of (the?) most densely populated centers, which also happens to be an international travel hub

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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> We're actually seeing the patients. Dr. Fauci hasn't seen a patient for 20 years... it's like the general contractor vs the sub. He's not seeing patients, he's in an ivory tower, and we have a world of respect for him, he's a world reknown immunologist, two different, he's an academic, and we've dealt with academics all of our lives... but academics and reality are two different things. > Coronavirus lasts on plast…

The statement about fauci is also blatantly false. He did go out of his way to treat an (multiple?) ebola patient in 2015 for example

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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This is lazy reporting. It's not wrong, but there's no insight here. No critical assessment of the claims made in the video nor the Youtube T&C, just a few clickbaity excerpts and some reaction comments. Compare with this excellent piece by the CBC on a somewhat similar viral video in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/u-of-r-biology-p...

But that misses the point. The very fact that a few people at Google/Youtube have the power to censor whomever they want for whatever reason they choose is a problem in itself. Are the doctors in the video saying untruths or misrepresenting data? I think what they said in the video was eminently reasonable. But perhaps I'm wrong. Luckily we have the freedom to publicly critique their claims - assuming our critiques a…

I think the current scenario has to be treated as a special case. Spreading falsehoods on this topic can do too much damage to the whole community. We should separate the general discussion of companies having too much power vs. what needs to be done right now.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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It was a rather excellent presentation by these doctors. Honest and courageous. Simply cannot argue with the data and reasoning.

Pretty sure I heard them extrapolating a selection bias to the entire population at 4:20.
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