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YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Google/YouTube is moving from annoying to disgusting. If the claims are wrong, take them apart. Censorship is not the way.

Businesses have the right to refuse service, why should YouTube be any different? I think the solution is a decentralized video sharing platform.

> why should YouTube be any different?

Because it's almost a monopoly. It's not one of roughly equal dozens video hosting services. It's freaking youtube.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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And that's despite nearly nationwide shelter in place measures. If those hadn't been implemented, the toll could well be an order of magnitude higher.

Are infections and death tolls in the countries with much less restrictive measures an order of magnitude higher?

New York has >50x deaths per capita as SF, which sheltered-in-place a week earlier (and which had been steadily moving in that direction for two weeks prior).

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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A reminder that The Blaze is a conservative mouthpiece founded by Glenn Beck. I’m astounded at the number of comments here that don’t seem to be considering that. The article is not worth clicking on based on that fact alone. It may or may not be factual, but we can rest assured that it’s written in service of a very specific agenda. That agenda is the typical “we are being silenced” message pushed by the regressive,…

Are you equally aggravated by news items from far left sources? It's understandable to prefer one side over the other. But ignore your least favorite side at your intellectual peril.

Absolutely. Yes, I am.

I don’t listen to people like Bill Maher, either, nor TV sensationalists like Jake Tapper.

I would prefer this country mostly get back to being centrist. I would prefer we not continually be pitched against each other in a left vs right battle that’s encouraged by the elite class (including middle-men profiteers like Glenn Beck that earn based on outrage).

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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It was a rather excellent presentation by these doctors. Honest and courageous. Simply cannot argue with the data and reasoning.

Except they're wrong. A simple check of excess mortality shows that something has already killed more people than would normally die during a bad flu season in areas affected by the virus, and we're nowhere near the end of the infection. And that's with lockdown measures that obviously suppress a bunch of common causes of death. To successfully argue that covid-19 is less bad than the flu, you would have to show that…

That's why they looked at the data comparison of Sweden vs Norway. Sweden didn't do lockdown while Norway did. The difference is insignificant.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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This is lazy reporting. It's not wrong, but there's no insight here. No critical assessment of the claims made in the video nor the Youtube T&C, just a few clickbaity excerpts and some reaction comments. Compare with this excellent piece by the CBC on a somewhat similar viral video in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/u-of-r-biology-p...

But that misses the point. The very fact that a few people at Google/Youtube have the power to censor whomever they want for whatever reason they choose is a problem in itself. Are the doctors in the video saying untruths or misrepresenting data? I think what they said in the video was eminently reasonable. But perhaps I'm wrong. Luckily we have the freedom to publicly critique their claims - assuming our critiques a…

To those who support YouTube removing these vids:

Without remarking on the quality of the video in this specific instance I will note that Dr. John Campbell's videos were contradicting WHO advice while WHO was asleep at the wheel.

By the current standards, would they have been removed?

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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No, it edges closer to Youtube being a publisher that controls or curates the content that is available on their platform.

That’s like saying the MTA is some independent platform that New Yorkers can choose to use or not use. Another example would be saying cable companies that have a monopoly over your region (once upon a time) provide real choice to customers that want to switch. Youtube is the de facto video platform that the masses use, so much so that Youtube finds it necessary to enact something like this. To bring it back to your…

Perhaps you are right, but I don't think it is as cut and dry as you are presenting. I'm not sure what the correct answer is.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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This is lazy reporting. It's not wrong, but there's no insight here. No critical assessment of the claims made in the video nor the Youtube T&C, just a few clickbaity excerpts and some reaction comments. Compare with this excellent piece by the CBC on a somewhat similar viral video in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/u-of-r-biology-p...

Can someone address the claim that death certificates coerce doctors to list COVID as the cause of death even if it hasn't been shown definitively to be the case? Is this a thing?

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Are you equally aggravated by news items from far left sources? It's understandable to prefer one side over the other. But ignore your least favorite side at your intellectual peril.

Absolutely. Yes, I am. I don’t listen to people like Bill Maher, either, nor TV sensationalists like Jake Tapper. I would prefer this country mostly get back to being centrist. I would prefer we not continually be pitched against each other in a left vs right battle that’s encouraged by the elite class (including middle-men profiteers like Glenn Beck that earn based on outrage).

I doubt that. Unless you consider the far left sources to be moderate.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Blaze media is an overtly ideological outlet. In my experience when any such outlet (regardless of the particular persuasion) makes a headline out of a 'viral' video or social media post, it's as part of a structured social media campaign: put the media up, drive some traffic to it, run a story about how it's 'going viral' leveraging people's preference for social proof, and so on.

With anything where there's significant political, economic, or social capital riding on the outcome, astroturfing is a sad reality that must be considered. One way to mitigate its effects is to look for reports from some disinterested source and see if you can find the same facts presented with less urgency and the determination of significance being left to the reader.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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That shouldn’t be surprising, The Blaze was founded by Glenn Beck. It’s not a reputable journalistic outlet.

What kind of argument is that? Political views are unimportant in this case and even if they were, Glenn has been more left and right leaning. Also YouTube removing the videos from 2 highly credentialed doctors is a verifiable fact, not some subjective theory.

It's not a case of right or left leaning bias here - Glenn Beck pushes conspiracy theories and things that just aren't true. There's a difference between political leanings and full on crackpot journalism.
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