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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by octodog »

grecy wrote: post #80
isoskeles wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is CBC known to question the position of Canadian government, especially the majority opinion there? They are a state-owned entity, as far as I know, but I'm not Canadian so I know little about how independently they operate.

Like the British BBC and the Australian ABC, (and more?), the CBC is at arms length from the currently serving government, and was setup intentionally to be independent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporat...

Australians trust the ABC more than any other media outlets by quite a large margin too.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by dangus »

A reminder that The Blaze is a conservative mouthpiece founded by Glenn Beck. I’m astounded at the number of comments here that don’t seem to be considering that.

The article is not worth clicking on based on that fact alone. It may or may not be factual, but we can rest assured that it’s written in service of a very specific agenda.

That agenda is the typical “we are being silenced” message pushed by the regressive, extremist conservative faction of the Republican Party.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by busymom0 »

senectus1 wrote: post #119
forgot_my_pwd wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that misses the point. The very fact that a few people at Google/Youtube have the power to censor whomever they want for whatever reason they choose is a problem in itself. Are the doctors in the video saying untruths or misrepresenting data? I think what they said in the video was eminently reasonable. But perhaps I'm wrong. Luckily we have the freedom to publicly critique their claims - assuming our critiques a…

I dont get this mindset. They aren't stopping them voicing their opinions or views... they're just stopping them posting it on THEIR service. Newspapers do that all the time, TV and Radio does it all the time. Why is this different?

> Newspapers do that all the time, TV and Radio does it all the time.

And that's why newspapers are classified as publishers and therefore are able to be sued. "Platforms" like YouTube are can't be sued because they are supposed to act like platforms - which they are not. Right now YouTube is acting like publishers while using the advantage of being called a platform. This is the Communications Decency Act section 230.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by dangus »

gmfawcett wrote: post #47

This is lazy reporting. It's not wrong, but there's no insight here. No critical assessment of the claims made in the video nor the Youtube T&C, just a few clickbaity excerpts and some reaction comments. Compare with this excellent piece by the CBC on a somewhat similar viral video in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/u-of-r-biology-p...

That shouldn’t be surprising, The Blaze was founded by Glenn Beck. It’s not a reputable journalistic outlet.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by milemi »

terakilobyte wrote: post #120
milemi wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really really like it, just like I really really like what's his name being deplatformed. I like it even more that I can't readily remember his name, right, Alex Jones. YouTube has no duty to be a platform for Diamond and Silk in scrubs.

How would you react to your own ideas being censored? YouTube here has decided what the “correct” messaging is for the many based on the decisions of a few. Is there no room for dissenting opinion? Perhaps more dangerous are the people who now are firmly convinced the lockdown should be over simply because the video was taken down. When is the proper approach to discuss and counter instead of suppress?

I'm not super familiar with YouTube's policy on this, but apparently they decided to curb what they deem to be COVID-19 misinformation. I completely agree that what these two are doing is spreading misinformation, this is not anywhere in the range of a seasonal flu, the numbers are clear on that.

It's very naive to think that what these two are doing is a good faith attempt to present a dissenting opinion. If someone wants to use this tragedy as an opportunity to launch their right-wing media career I don't think YouTube is obliged to be an accomplice.

As for my opinions being silenced, if I ever yell fire in a theater, or tell people to drink poison laced Kool-Aid, or tell them to ignore this pandemic, I hope I get what's coming to me.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by busymom0 »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #125
senectus1 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont get this mindset. They aren't stopping them voicing their opinions or views... they're just stopping them posting it on THEIR service. Newspapers do that all the time, TV and Radio does it all the time. Why is this different?

It’s not like these are crackpot doctors that uploaded the video themselves. It was a press conference that a local news station uploaded to YouTube. https://www.turnto23.com/news/coronavirus/video-interview-wi...

Yep. The video was a news conference from Dr. Dan Erickson, who along with Dr. Artin Massihi, own the largest testing site in Kern County, Accelerated Urgent Care, California. It wasn't some random joe making claims.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by irjustin »

senectus1 wrote: post #119
forgot_my_pwd wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that misses the point. The very fact that a few people at Google/Youtube have the power to censor whomever they want for whatever reason they choose is a problem in itself. Are the doctors in the video saying untruths or misrepresenting data? I think what they said in the video was eminently reasonable. But perhaps I'm wrong. Luckily we have the freedom to publicly critique their claims - assuming our critiques a…

I dont get this mindset. They aren't stopping them voicing their opinions or views... they're just stopping them posting it on THEIR service. Newspapers do that all the time, TV and Radio does it all the time. Why is this different?

It's that youtube, reddit take on more of a public forum than TV, radio at least that was the feeling in the past.

The idea that anyone can be a content creator is, it's supposed to be as neutral as possible. Let the world battle it out against itself. Once you start taking sides of opinions (as opposed to legal ones) then you become a content curator.

For better or worse, America was built on the idea that I can have an absolutely stupid idea and that's my right. We'll fight to my death but it is my right to hold said stupid idea and voice it with youtube being my megaphone.

That's a core tenant of free speech and youtube was supposed to be able to help that. Now they're taking sides and it's not comforting

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by ceejayoz »

forgot_my_pwd wrote: post #88
gmfawcett wrote: post #47

This is lazy reporting. It's not wrong, but there's no insight here. No critical assessment of the claims made in the video nor the Youtube T&C, just a few clickbaity excerpts and some reaction comments. Compare with this excellent piece by the CBC on a somewhat similar viral video in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/u-of-r-biology-p...

But that misses the point. The very fact that a few people at Google/Youtube have the power to censor whomever they want for whatever reason they choose is a problem in itself. Are the doctors in the video saying untruths or misrepresenting data? I think what they said in the video was eminently reasonable. But perhaps I'm wrong. Luckily we have the freedom to publicly critique their claims - assuming our critiques a…

> Are the doctors in the video saying untruths or misrepresenting data?

Yes, they are.

https://www.dailynews.com/2020/04/28/california-doctors-with...

> But public health experts were quick to debunk the doctors’ findings as misguided and riddled with statistical errors — and an example of the kind of misleading information they are forced to waste precious time disputing.

> The doctors should never have assumed that the patients they tested — who came for walk-in COVID-19 tests or who sought urgent care for symptoms they experienced in the middle of a pandemic — are representative of the general population, said Dr. Carl Bergstrom, a University of Washington biologist who specializes in infectious disease modeling. He likened their extrapolations to “estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court.” And most credible studies of COVID-19 death rates in reality are far higher than the ones the doctors presented.

> In a rare statement late today, the American College of Emergency Physicians and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine declared they “emphatically condemn the recent opinions released by Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Messihi. These reckless and untested musings do not speak for medical societies and are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19. As owners of local urgent care clinics, it appears these two individuals are releasing biased, non-peer reviewed data to advance their personal financial interests without regard for the public’s health.”

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

dangus wrote: post #132

A reminder that The Blaze is a conservative mouthpiece founded by Glenn Beck. I’m astounded at the number of comments here that don’t seem to be considering that. The article is not worth clicking on based on that fact alone. It may or may not be factual, but we can rest assured that it’s written in service of a very specific agenda. That agenda is the typical “we are being silenced” message pushed by the regressive,…

You don't think it's worth reading the article just because you don't agree with the author's politics?

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by orangecat »

eloff wrote: post #50
ThisIsTheWay wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It says right in the article: "...noted relevant comments regarding censorship that YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki had recently made. "Anything that would go against World Health Organization recommendations would be a violation of our policy ... [removal] is another really important part of of our policy," Wojcicki reportedly said."

By that logic can they remove videos claiming masks are effective at protecting yourself and society from the virus? Because I seem to recall the WHO (or I think it was the CDC?) blatantly lying about the efficacy of masks in order to keep them available to health professionals. I think this underscores why I'm so uncomfortable with YouTube doing censorship (or anyone doing it). The official narrative is not always r…

Because I seem to recall the WHO (or I think it was the CDC?) blatantly lying about the efficacy of masks in order to keep them available to health professionals.

WHO is still lying, CDC has done a 180 and now recommends masks. So I suppose we should expect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPx1yqvJgf4 to get taken down anytime now.

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