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YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by fzeroracer »

ThisIsTheWay wrote: post #9

One of the comments made in the video (referenced in the article as well) is "We always have between 37,000 and 60,000 deaths in the United States, every single year. No pandemic talk. No shelter in place. No shutting down businesses." Since early Feb we've seen ~54K deaths from Coronavirus alone (excluding influenza deaths) [0]. The argument that this is just part of the normal flu cycle doesn't make any sense. [0]…

This is not to mention that Japan's going through some problems right now too in various ways. Not only did they experience a spike in COVID-19 cases early this month due to lax measures, Hokkaido actually had to go into lockdown again because they lifted the shelter in place order and it resulted in an even larger second wave of cases.

The fact that we're delusional enough to think that we're somehow safe from the same thing occurring here is absurd. And this is in a country that's far better about following shelter orders and mask-wearing guidance!

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by James_Henry »

amiantos wrote: post #12

Just because someone is a “doctor” doesn’t mean they are a reputable, trustworthy source of information. For example, there are doctors who promote the idea that hydrogen peroxide can cure cancer, and that tens of thousands of dollars worth of antibiotics can cure “chronic Lyme disease”. It seems absurd with how hard it is to go to medical school and get a license, but people come out the other side with the same int…

Also there are doctors who have a strong incentive to stop the shut down because they own a few urgent care clinics that are having financial troubles during stay-at-home orders. And still more, there are doctors who don't have good reasoning skills.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by henrikschroder »

drummer wrote: post #4

It was a rather excellent presentation by these doctors. Honest and courageous. Simply cannot argue with the data and reasoning.

Except they're wrong.

A simple check of excess mortality shows that something has already killed more people than would normally die during a bad flu season in areas affected by the virus, and we're nowhere near the end of the infection. And that's with lockdown measures that obviously suppress a bunch of common causes of death.

To successfully argue that covid-19 is less bad than the flu, you would have to show that all these extra dead people died of something other than covid-19. Good luck with that.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by JMTQp8lwXL »

joshuamorton wrote: post #16
ThisIsTheWay wrote: post #9

One of the comments made in the video (referenced in the article as well) is "We always have between 37,000 and 60,000 deaths in the United States, every single year. No pandemic talk. No shelter in place. No shutting down businesses." Since early Feb we've seen ~54K deaths from Coronavirus alone (excluding influenza deaths) [0]. The argument that this is just part of the normal flu cycle doesn't make any sense. [0]…

And that's despite nearly nationwide shelter in place measures. If those hadn't been implemented, the toll could well be an order of magnitude higher.

What happens to at-risk people lockdown ends? They could continue to shelter, but if the rest of the world isn't, anybody they make contact with will put them at higher risk due to decreased practice of social distancing.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by lostmsu »

Apaec wrote: post #44
Gibbon1 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the flip side I saw a short interview with a UCSF doctor that went to help out in New York where mentioned the hospital converted their cafeteria into a COVID19 ward. Not just in case but because it was full of patients on vents. No amount of Hacker News Mental Gymnastics(tm) is going to explain that away.

Well, I also saw a medical worker saying that if someone dies before testing, that will be counted as a COVID death[1]. No amount of Hacker News Mental Gymnastics(tm) is going to explain that away. [1]: https://twitter.com/BraveTheWorld/status/1254232498122428416

Considering mortality is 6x normal, that is a sane default under lack of resources for testing considering at least 80% probability.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by htk »

imustbeevil wrote: post #46

> "If you study the numbers in 2017 and 2018, we had 50 to 60 million with the flu," Erickson said. "And we had a similar death rate in the deaths the United States were 43,545" For comparison, 1 million Americans (50x less) have had covid, and so far 59,225 have died (1.4x more) [0]. Their conclusion is that this is no worse than the flu, even though those numbers show it being more than 60x more deadly. edit: Bring…

Confirmed cases are not the total number of cases.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by adamiscool8 »

eloff wrote: post #50
ThisIsTheWay wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It says right in the article: "...noted relevant comments regarding censorship that YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki had recently made. "Anything that would go against World Health Organization recommendations would be a violation of our policy ... [removal] is another really important part of of our policy," Wojcicki reportedly said."

By that logic can they remove videos claiming masks are effective at protecting yourself and society from the virus? Because I seem to recall the WHO (or I think it was the CDC?) blatantly lying about the efficacy of masks in order to keep them available to health professionals. I think this underscores why I'm so uncomfortable with YouTube doing censorship (or anyone doing it). The official narrative is not always r…

My understanding has always been that good science is supposed to be falsifiable. If the new rules are science can only be dictated by authoritative institutions and cannot be publicly questioned, is it still science?

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by isoskeles »

gmfawcett wrote: post #47

This is lazy reporting. It's not wrong, but there's no insight here. No critical assessment of the claims made in the video nor the Youtube T&C, just a few clickbaity excerpts and some reaction comments. Compare with this excellent piece by the CBC on a somewhat similar viral video in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/u-of-r-biology-p...

Is CBC known to question the position of Canadian government, especially the majority opinion there? They are a state-owned entity, as far as I know, but I'm not Canadian so I know little about how independently they operate.
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