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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by jenny75jenny »

amiantos wrote: post #12

Just because someone is a “doctor” doesn’t mean they are a reputable, trustworthy source of information. For example, there are doctors who promote the idea that hydrogen peroxide can cure cancer, and that tens of thousands of dollars worth of antibiotics can cure “chronic Lyme disease”. It seems absurd with how hard it is to go to medical school and get a license, but people come out the other side with the same int…

Does what you're saying also apply to the "doctors" who work with the WHO and the various levels of government?

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by Apaec »

javagram wrote: post #24
drummer wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon is a good critical thinker and saw from the very beginning that the response to COVID-19 was way out of proportion. Lots of other scientists and doctors saw from the very beginning that COVID-19 was not worse than the flu, most of whom have been censored again and again. There's even a paper published about it early in March showing the new corona virus is not worse than the ones before [1]. So Elon is being pro…

Your quoted paper is 5 weeks old, as shown by the excerpt “ compared with less than 4000 deaths for SARS-CoV-2 at the time of writing.” Now, today, we are at 50,000 confirmed COVID-19 deaths just in the USA, and an analysis of excess mortality data already shows that a significant % of COVID-19-related deaths are not included in that count. This is with a massive mitigation campaign and nationwide social distancing.…

The data regarding number of deaths is severely tainted though. Many doctors have claimed(this is also mentioned in the OP video) that their administration pressures them for including COVID-19 in causes of death.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by javagram »

Apaec wrote: post #32
javagram wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your quoted paper is 5 weeks old, as shown by the excerpt “ compared with less than 4000 deaths for SARS-CoV-2 at the time of writing.” Now, today, we are at 50,000 confirmed COVID-19 deaths just in the USA, and an analysis of excess mortality data already shows that a significant % of COVID-19-related deaths are not included in that count. This is with a massive mitigation campaign and nationwide social distancing.…

The data regarding number of deaths is severely tainted though. Many doctors have claimed(this is also mentioned in the OP video) that their administration pressures them for including COVID-19 in causes of death.

But in reality, the number of excess deaths compared to the average year, or compared to last year, is well above the counted number of COVID-19 deaths. Anecdotal claims about deaths being miscounted as COVID-19 don’t really stand up to this.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/27/upshot/corona...

https://twitter.com/lymanstoneky/status/1252616296891465729

The level of deaths/week we are seeing is like nothing that has occurred in decades of recorded vital statistics. (The 1968 flu pandemic shows on the 2nd chart, but is small beans compared to COVID).

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by mikem170 »

javagram wrote: post #28
drummer wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The data presented by the two doctors is fresh, and shows exactly what the paper says. COVID-19 is not worse than the flu.

The “data presented by the two doctors” has obvious reasoning errors to anyone who has taken even high school math. At this point, how can you look at the number of people who died from COVID-19 in just the last month in NYC and claim this is no worse than the flu? https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/27/upshot/corona... The last flu to cause such a severe spike in mortality statistics was the devastating 1918…

>The last flu to cause such a severe spike in mortality statistics was the devastating 1918 Spanish flu

The second wave of the 1918 flu killed between 17 to 50 million people, perhaps as high as 100 million people, during the fall of 1918, with a higher than expected mortality rate for the young and healthy. It killed between 1 and 6 percent of the world's population.

So far 200,000 people have died from the coronavirus.

The current coronavirus is 1/100 as deadly as the flu of 1918.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by mikem170 »

sschueller wrote: post #30
drummer wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon is a good critical thinker and saw from the very beginning that the response to COVID-19 was way out of proportion. Lots of other scientists and doctors saw from the very beginning that COVID-19 was not worse than the flu, most of whom have been censored again and again. There's even a paper published about it early in March showing the new corona virus is not worse than the ones before [1]. So Elon is being pro…

A good critical thinker does not tweet out his emotions, calls someone a pedo on Twitter and later doubles down on the mistake he made.

I question your line of reasoning. I don't know if critical thinking correlates to emotional intelligence. Someone can be a genius in some regards and an idiot in others.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by Apaec »

amiantos wrote: post #12

Just because someone is a “doctor” doesn’t mean they are a reputable, trustworthy source of information. For example, there are doctors who promote the idea that hydrogen peroxide can cure cancer, and that tens of thousands of dollars worth of antibiotics can cure “chronic Lyme disease”. It seems absurd with how hard it is to go to medical school and get a license, but people come out the other side with the same int…

This is really a non-argument, as the WHO is also comprised of "doctors".

The belief of dishonesty could be applied both ways.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by Keverw »

ThisIsTheWay wrote: post #6
s9w wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess the bigger question about this is what possible reasons to remove there could be. The video itself is pretty famous now and available in many places.

It says right in the article: "...noted relevant comments regarding censorship that YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki had recently made. "Anything that would go against World Health Organization recommendations would be a violation of our policy ... [removal] is another really important part of of our policy," Wojcicki reportedly said."

Why trust the WHO when they are being defunded in the first place? After mismanaging and trying to cover things up?

Sounds like YouTube is blindly following the WHO. I am so sick of big tech and all the censorship, privacy invasion, etc. Wish there was more alternatives but everyone will flock to what’s popular...

Wish I had the resources to start alternatives, maybe headquarters in Texas where I bet they have a more freedom mindset compared to all the Californian tech companies that’s just a bunch of followers instead of leaders.

Seems all the stuff they preach about connecting the world, accessing all the worlds information and diversity is just some sort of double speak. Like censoring Alex Jones, sure people disagree with him maybe Just some things or even everything he says but if you don’t agree with him, don’t watch his channel, don’t follow him. This whole deplatformig thing is like something from 1984.

I enjoy using YouTube for tech talks, tutorials, following vloggers but a lot of stuff about YouTube is disappointment... and then don’t even get me started mentioning all the automated copyright stuff that doesn’t even consider fair use or is abused.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by javagram »

mikem170 wrote: post #34
javagram wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The “data presented by the two doctors” has obvious reasoning errors to anyone who has taken even high school math. At this point, how can you look at the number of people who died from COVID-19 in just the last month in NYC and claim this is no worse than the flu? https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/27/upshot/corona... The last flu to cause such a severe spike in mortality statistics was the devastating 1918…

>The last flu to cause such a severe spike in mortality statistics was the devastating 1918 Spanish flu The second wave of the 1918 flu killed between 17 to 50 million people, perhaps as high as 100 million people, during the fall of 1918, with a higher than expected mortality rate for the young and healthy. It killed between 1 and 6 percent of the world's population. So far 200,000 people have died from the coronavi…

Your argument assumes that coronavirus deaths will stop tomorrow, and also that mitigation measures used to reduce deaths from coronavirus via social distancing don’t affect the evaluation of whether it is “deadly”.

It feels like you didn’t engage with the data I presented at all. (Edit: removed sentences that would only apply if you had read my other post)

Edit 2: if your only argument is that COVID-19 is not worse than Spanish flu, that’s something that is reasonable. It’s worse than any pandemic flu since Spanish flu though, this is a once in a century occurrence.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by robocat »

mikem170 wrote: post #34
javagram wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The “data presented by the two doctors” has obvious reasoning errors to anyone who has taken even high school math. At this point, how can you look at the number of people who died from COVID-19 in just the last month in NYC and claim this is no worse than the flu? https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/27/upshot/corona... The last flu to cause such a severe spike in mortality statistics was the devastating 1918…

>The last flu to cause such a severe spike in mortality statistics was the devastating 1918 Spanish flu The second wave of the 1918 flu killed between 17 to 50 million people, perhaps as high as 100 million people, during the fall of 1918, with a higher than expected mortality rate for the young and healthy. It killed between 1 and 6 percent of the world's population. So far 200,000 people have died from the coronavi…

> The current coronavirus is 1/100 as deadly as the flu of 1918.

Wow: you are saying the final death rate from Covid19 will be from 0.01% to 0.06%.

You are making irrelevant comparisons: we don’t yet know how many people will die from Covid19; we have no idea of numbers of deaths in many poorer countries where deaths can’t even be counted; comparing number of deaths in a world with 7 billion people against number of deaths for 1918 population is pointless.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by Gibbon1 »

Apaec wrote: post #32
javagram wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your quoted paper is 5 weeks old, as shown by the excerpt “ compared with less than 4000 deaths for SARS-CoV-2 at the time of writing.” Now, today, we are at 50,000 confirmed COVID-19 deaths just in the USA, and an analysis of excess mortality data already shows that a significant % of COVID-19-related deaths are not included in that count. This is with a massive mitigation campaign and nationwide social distancing.…

The data regarding number of deaths is severely tainted though. Many doctors have claimed(this is also mentioned in the OP video) that their administration pressures them for including COVID-19 in causes of death.

On the flip side I saw a short interview with a UCSF doctor that went to help out in New York where mentioned the hospital converted their cafeteria into a COVID19 ward. Not just in case but because it was full of patients on vents.

No amount of Hacker News Mental Gymnastics(tm) is going to explain that away.

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