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India coronavirus: The 'mystery' of low Covid-19 death rates

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Re: India coronavirus: The 'mystery' of low Covid-19 death rates

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Post by sharadov »

arihant wrote: post #150

This should not be a mystery at all. India locked down entire country (no state rights in Epidemics laws), despite federal structure. Very few things can be bought, even Amazon is only delivering "essentials." But more importantly, India has been contact tracing like a greedy algorithm on steroids since case #1. There was a positive case in a condo nearby mine. The entire condominium building and adjacent locality is…

India going all Wuhan on the virus. The difference between India and the US particularly is that it's lockdown lite in USA while it's full on there. You can't take a walk, you can't drive farther than 3 KM, cops will kick your butt and impound your vehicle. And the population by and large listens, while we have morons here who want lockdown eased to get haircuts.

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Post by sameerds »

arihant wrote: post #150

This should not be a mystery at all. India locked down entire country (no state rights in Epidemics laws), despite federal structure. Very few things can be bought, even Amazon is only delivering "essentials." But more importantly, India has been contact tracing like a greedy algorithm on steroids since case #1. There was a positive case in a condo nearby mine. The entire condominium building and adjacent locality is…

Absolutely this: nobody wants their buildings sealed. In most apartments, people have continued to pay full salaries to their domestic help and insist that they do not show up for work. In some cases where the domestic help are young migrants from other states, the employer families have even invited them to stay over until the lockdown is over. They continue with their daily chores with full payment and the additional benefits of being taken care of by a family instead of being on their own. Whenever someone requests the HOA to allow outside workers, other residents immediately express concern about what happens if even a single person is tested positive. Nobody wants to spend a fortnight confined to their houses, and not allowed to venture out of their house for even a walk.

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Post by yumraj »

arihant wrote: post #150

This should not be a mystery at all. India locked down entire country (no state rights in Epidemics laws), despite federal structure. Very few things can be bought, even Amazon is only delivering "essentials." But more importantly, India has been contact tracing like a greedy algorithm on steroids since case #1. There was a positive case in a condo nearby mine. The entire condominium building and adjacent locality is…

> But more importantly, India has been contact tracing like a greedy algorithm on steroids since case #1.

So looks like India is doing in practice what they show CDC doing in the US in the movies, such as in Outbreak.

Re: India coronavirus: The 'mystery' of low Covid-19 death rates

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Post by gnusty_gnurc »

mikem170 wrote: post #200
gnusty_gnurc wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China’s first response to doctors reporting the virus was to send police to them and shut them up. I’ll gladly believe I live in a better country.

I had the impression, based on news articles at the time, that local officials were behind the initial coverup in Wuhan, lasting until national officials rectified the situation.

I'm not sure local officials would be behind all the censorship and police abuse that's happened like this:

> Three Chinese citizen journalists have also gone missing after they uploaded videos showing a critical view of the situation in Wuhan to YouTube and Twitter.

https://qz.com/1816219/chinese-internet-rallied-to-save-a-ce...

> Cai Wei, a Beijing-based man who participated in one such project on GitHub, the software development website, was arrested together with his girlfriend by Beijing police on April 19. The couple were accused of “picking quarrels and provoking trouble,” a commonly used charge against dissidents in China, according to Chen Kun, the brother of Chen Mei, another volunteer involved with the project.

https://qz.com/1846277/china-arrests-users-behind-github-cor...

Re: India coronavirus: The 'mystery' of low Covid-19 death rates

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Post by Mikeb85 »

There's plenty of evidence that this coronavirus is less stable in hotter, humid climates. Given India has some dense cities, diverse climates and lots of indoor buildings it obviously has spread a bit, but warm developing countries like India and Vietnam were among the first hit and have relatively little spread for their population density.

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Post by Bhilai »

i_have_to_speak wrote: post #2

Ah yet another cant-be-true-they're-hiding-something article? Surely they can't be doing better than developed countries? FWIW, India did implement a stronger lockdown much earlier on in the curve than other countries. State and federal authorities went lock-step in their actions, and with consistent messaging. Police enforced the lockdown at times even brutally, getting the point across to the general public. Indian…

Came here to say this. When compared to the Western world, India did fare well and its not a mystery. Though the lock-downs were brutal for many Indians, they were strictly implemented and most people had the sense to follow the procedures. No denying that economic repercussions will be brutal as well but not many lives were lost. In my hometown, there isn't a single active case of COVID19 and its essentially a "green zone" now with most things returning back to normal. Local Police did a phenomenal job contact tracing and enforcing the lock-down. I wonder if life in USA would have gone back to normal by now if there was a better response and acceptance of the impending crisis. I am glad they don't have Fox news in India.

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Post by standardUser »

kumarvvr wrote: post #191
standardUser wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Western nations are doing fine. There's really just a dozen or so countries that have been hit hard, and even then the impact has been uneven within the hardest hit countries.

Sorry, for 330 Million people, USA has had 60k deaths from C19 so far, whereas India has had about 1000 deaths in about 1300 Million people. The western Nations are doing abysmally.

You ignored my comment to say what you wanted to say. Many Western nations are doing great. They are handling the pandemic very well and have less strict lockdowns than India.

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Post by castlecrasher2 »

petilon wrote: post #161
mesaframe wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>India has been contact tracing like a greedy algorithm on steroids since case #1. Care to provide source? >People are self policing mainly to avoid police, but they are self policing each other because nobody wants their buildings sealed. I have seen videos of people violating lockdown without fear. >There are only 85 active infections 85 infections which were caught.

> Care to provide source? There is some info here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/world/asia/india-coronavi... The US is #1 in infections for a reason: we are doing it wrong.

>The US is #1 in infections for a reason: we are doing it wrong.

It's more likely that we're testing far more than most countries than "we're doing it wrong."

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Post by trianglem »

standardUser wrote: post #171
rramadass wrote: post #121

The article while making some valid points is full of insinuations. This is disingenuous. The main reason for the low death rates is the lock-down/quarantine in place. India did this very quickly and very comprehensively. I would never have believed that such a lock-down would be followed and enforced in India if i were not living through it. It would be interesting to see how quickly the slope changes once the lock-…

Most Western nations are doing fine. There's really just a dozen or so countries that have been hit hard, and even then the impact has been uneven within the hardest hit countries.

The US and the UK are seeing a massive number of deaths.

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Post by sameerds »

sharadov wrote: post #201
arihant wrote: post #150

This should not be a mystery at all. India locked down entire country (no state rights in Epidemics laws), despite federal structure. Very few things can be bought, even Amazon is only delivering "essentials." But more importantly, India has been contact tracing like a greedy algorithm on steroids since case #1. There was a positive case in a condo nearby mine. The entire condominium building and adjacent locality is…

India going all Wuhan on the virus. The difference between India and the US particularly is that it's lockdown lite in USA while it's full on there. You can't take a walk, you can't drive farther than 3 KM, cops will kick your butt and impound your vehicle. And the population by and large listens, while we have morons here who want lockdown eased to get haircuts.

Heh, families in India have started doing haircuts at home. Some people get it right, and some people don't ... it's not even funny anymore.
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