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A List of Colleges’ Plans for Reopening in the Fall

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I feel bad for the colleges. But anyone in their right mind that's going to college to learn things will take a gap year. Those going to college just for the paper are well advised to keep going. The next couple of years will be easy mode, for sure. You get an A, and you get an A--everyone gets an A!

> The next couple of years will be easy mode, for sure. You get an A, and you get an A--everyone gets an A!

If my experience of college professors is anything to go by, it'll be more like "You couldn't complete the work because I forgot to include a crucial part of the instructions. Well tough, you fail anyway."

Classes won't all be like, be the ones that are will take up so much of students time that they might as well be.

Re: A List of Colleges’ Plans for Reopening in the Fall

#102

I feel bad for the colleges. But anyone in their right mind that's going to college to learn things will take a gap year. Those going to college just for the paper are well advised to keep going. The next couple of years will be easy mode, for sure. You get an A, and you get an A--everyone gets an A!

Colleges are not going to let many people take gap years. So it'll be a choice between attending the school you want or reapplying next year (when it'll probably be even harder to get in). Usually most people who want gap years are allowed to do so, but usually there aren't many people who want to do gap years (at least in the US).

My college had comprehensive exams. It was hard enough remember specific details of a class you took 3 years ago even when you were in other classes, seeing the professors every day, and constantly talking about the field. I can't imagine taking a year off and then trying to come back and remember everything after being away.

Re: A List of Colleges’ Plans for Reopening in the Fall

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Take a gap year and do what? Go nowhere, do nothing? Delay any hope of a reasonable income by another year?

Read. Code. Zoom.

A typical HN-reading college student likely already does those things alongside studying. So instead of doing a different of activities like you have imagined, this hypothetical student would now be bored out of their mind by having an even more homogenous set of activities available to them.

Re: A List of Colleges’ Plans for Reopening in the Fall

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Forgive me, but I find it a bit hard to be sympathetic in a broad sense to the organizations that make their money from rental income.

Baffling comment. Providing rental property is a legitimate business.

Being a legitimate business does not mean I can feel no sympathy or empathy for those who fail in that business. I can think of some legitimate businesses where my feelings of hearing of hardship within that business borderlines on pleasurable (say any legitimate business which is tied to lobbying to increase prison sentences).

Re: A List of Colleges’ Plans for Reopening in the Fall

#105
High schooler here. On-line school is far from perfect. There are two approaches I've seen:

1. The "self-taught" style. This one is being done by my linear algebra class: the prof tells us which chapters to read, sends out notes, and some recommended problems. Periodically, he sends out a take-home test; we work it and send him the answers. This style is helped by the fact that our book is short and concise enough to teach but still be readable. No one wants to read if a chapter takes hours. This approach works great for me, but it requires a more self-directed student to function.

2. The "micro-manager" style. This one is being done by my physics class: the prof uses online, checked homework, multiple zoom calls, requires us to record videos of ourselves solving problems in a "tutorial style", gives on-line quizzes, and attempts to give the same tests on-line as were given in-person. This results in horrible, invasive solutions that give a "proctor" remote access to one's computer, require one to use a webcam to be monitored, and require one to show the space around him using a mirror. This style is awful, wastes colossal amounts of time, but is the option on which teachers fall back when they lack confidence in their students to be self-directed.

Most teachers are going for option 2, which is worse than in-person learning. This may sound cynical, but mot of the tools for "active learning" or "on-line engagement" make students' lives harder, waste their time, and offer no benefit beyond an administrator feeling as though he's "done something".

Edit: can any current student tell me if y'all are getting refunded for room and board, at least partially? Y'all paid for something and are being prohibited from using it, so that seems reasonable.

Re: A List of Colleges’ Plans for Reopening in the Fall

#106
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I feel bad for the colleges. But anyone in their right mind that's going to college to learn things will take a gap year. Those going to college just for the paper are well advised to keep going. The next couple of years will be easy mode, for sure. You get an A, and you get an A--everyone gets an A!

Take a gap year and do what, exactly? Sitting around your parents' house for a year is probably worse than getting the coronavirus, for an 18 year old. Maybe much worse.

18-year-old here, heavily considering a gap year. I've already got a job at a cybersecurity firm as a developer, and would continue working there. It's a start-up, so I've gotten to work on many different things and build skills in lots of different places. I've worked on projects to build skills throughout high school; I'd continue working on those. I'd have more time to focus on learning "real things" vs. padding my accomplishments for college admissions. Finally, I've got lots of non-profit work to continue. It sounds much more compelling than paying $75k/year for "zoom university".

Re: A List of Colleges’ Plans for Reopening in the Fall

#107

High schooler here. On-line school is far from perfect. There are two approaches I've seen: 1. The "self-taught" style. This one is being done by my linear algebra class: the prof tells us which chapters to read, sends out notes, and some recommended problems. Periodically, he sends out a take-home test; we work it and send him the answers. This style is helped by the fact that our book is short and concise enough to…

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Re: A List of Colleges’ Plans for Reopening in the Fall

#108

Hard to imagine packing up and moving across the country into a dorm, taking the risk of being kicked out a few weeks later.

Harder still to imagine being 18 and deciding to play it safe and stay with mom and dad for god-knows how many more months. I'd take the risk if I was able.

Re: A List of Colleges’ Plans for Reopening in the Fall

#109
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They'll decide again when they have an outbreak in a dorm or when a few faculty members die. It's hard to imagine that presence instruction will be back in the fall.

I’m a little surprised by this sentiment (maybe I’m naively optimistic). I’m curious, do you (and others) think elementary and high schools will be back next fall?

Almost certainly. I think the vast majority of teachers, students and parents would rather go back to school with elaborate restrictions (like is happening now in parts of Europe) than stay home for another entire semester.

But high-risk students and households will need to be accommodated too, so a remote component could be necessary even if most kids are back in physical classrooms.

Re: A List of Colleges’ Plans for Reopening in the Fall

#110

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Colleges are not going to let many people take gap years. So it'll be a choice between attending the school you want or reapplying next year (when it'll probably be even harder to get in). Usually most people who want gap years are allowed to do so, but usually there aren't many people who want to do gap years (at least in the US).

My university's policy is that for student-elected gaps, if you returned within three years, "re-admission" was guaranteed. It was a bit dicier if the university required you to leave due to health problems or disciplinary/academic violations.

Usually, yes, but now colleges are having revenue problems. The president may block foreigners from attending (big revenue source), and many students may want to delay. So colleges are pretty likely to tell students to suck it up for a year or not get admitted to try to force them to attend as normal.
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