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A List of Colleges’ Plans for Reopening in the Fall

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Re: A List of Colleges’ Plans for Reopening in the Fall

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If you are relying on scholarships to afford university, this is not an option. If you break full time status you essentially forfeit all of your scholarships and it is very unlikely you will get them back.

Depends on the scholarship, but very few will pay during the gap year.

I think the concern is about still qualifying for them when you return

Re: A List of Colleges’ Plans for Reopening in the Fall

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I feel bad for the colleges. But anyone in their right mind that's going to college to learn things will take a gap year. Those going to college just for the paper are well advised to keep going. The next couple of years will be easy mode, for sure. You get an A, and you get an A--everyone gets an A!

Take a gap year and do what, exactly? Sitting around your parents' house for a year is probably worse than getting the coronavirus, for an 18 year old. Maybe much worse.

I really wish I took a gap year at that age to learn new skills. For instance I went to school for mechanical engineering but I would have loved to have learned programming back then. It was always on my to do list but never had enough time. If I had done it then, I probably would have received a degree in CS or IT instead.

Even for my friends that went for CS, they also said they would have loved to have had more time to apply and actually create things vs just learning theoretical/ engineering side of things in school.

Or for instance my brother if he took off from school he would have had the chance to go pro in the MLS, but it was too big of a risk to put off school at the time. Not that sports are happening now, but just gives a more diverse view.

A more HN example would be to create a business or side hustle.

Re: A List of Colleges’ Plans for Reopening in the Fall

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Take a gap year and do what, exactly? Sitting around your parents' house for a year is probably worse than getting the coronavirus, for an 18 year old. Maybe much worse.

As an 18-year-old, exactly this. Even with the lackluster online classes I am getting, sitting at home is unproductive, uninteresting, and just mentally exhausting. The primary thing I looked forward to in college is independence. Even if my parents completely laid off for the year, I would still feel judged for every decision I made.

If you're unproductive, that seems more like a personality thing vs a being 18 thing. There's hobbies, things 6i can learn, pick up new skills, exercise and get healthy, learn to cook, start a business, etc.

Re: A List of Colleges’ Plans for Reopening in the Fall

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Obviously not—it’s not the amount of work done, but the value which the work provides. Landlords contribute a small amount of value relative to how much they are paid, compared to other businesses. Most of the value is provided by the land itself, and the landlords merely have a monopoly on it. So I am less inclined to be sympathetic to PMCs which are suddenly being paid less, since they are generally overpaid. We ha…

If PMCs are overpaid, then the property owners wouldn't employ them. And if landlords didn't do much work, property owners wouldn't pay PMCs to do that work for them.

I’m not being perfectly precise in my terminology, and you’re spitting out a compiler error in response.

Landlords/PMCs are overpaid because tenants pay rent not only for the services provided by the landlords/PMCs, but also for access to the land which they own. This happens because the property owners have a monopoly on that piece of land. The rent will increase in accordance with the contributions of the people using the land, and yet the money will be paid instead to the people owning the land.

The Wealth of Nations is on Gutenberg. Skip to Chapter XI in Book 1. http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3300/3300-0.txt

> The rent of land, therefore, considered as the price paid for the use of the land, is naturally a monopoly price. It is not at all proportioned to what the landlord may have laid out upon the improvement of the land, or to what he can afford to take, but to what the farmer can afford to give.

Re: A List of Colleges’ Plans for Reopening in the Fall

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Depends on the scholarship, but very few will pay during the gap year.

I think the concern is about still qualifying for them when you return

Yes, I know. I think a number of them just pause for quarters you’re absent and then resume once you come back, provided you don’t lose student status or whatever.

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Baffling comment. Providing rental property is a legitimate business.

Providing rental property is yet another industry in which "Why don't we just screw over people with no options" has prevailed. It may be legitimate in that people need places to live, but it is far from legitimate in any way regarding getting what is paid for.

I have never wanted to own a house.

Re: A List of Colleges’ Plans for Reopening in the Fall

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What a useless world that would create.

You can pick up most of the soft skills you learn in humanities by doing things like reading and practicing writing. The minimum functional skill level is low enough for a majority of people to achieve through practice with minimal guidance. People don't have to spend thousands of dollars and four years of their life to paint or sculpt or whatever - it may not be proficient and lifelike but it'll still be art. Your w…

> People don't have to spend thousands of dollars and four years of their life to paint or sculpt or whatever - it may not be proficient and lifelike but it'll still be art.

I don't think it's important to the overall argument of your comment, but this is incredibly reductive. If one has little appreciation for a particular form of art maybe this is true, but if, for example, all orchestras or other classical music ensembles were comprised of less proficient musicians I'd sooner stop listening to classical music altogether.

> Your world wouldn't be all that much more drab if we stopped forcing engineers to learn "culture".

I'm not sure if it was your intention, but quoting the word culture comes off as disparaging, but given the tone of your comment it certainly seems so.

I think I would've agreed with you if you'd simply said "engineers shouldn't be forced to take humanities in higher education; doing so is largely ineffective, at least in terms of imparting cultural appreciation and other related soft skills." Instead, I can't help but read it and think that it's single-minded and tone-deaf.

Re: A List of Colleges’ Plans for Reopening in the Fall

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I feel bad for the colleges. But anyone in their right mind that's going to college to learn things will take a gap year. Those going to college just for the paper are well advised to keep going. The next couple of years will be easy mode, for sure. You get an A, and you get an A--everyone gets an A!

Colleges are not going to let many people take gap years. So it'll be a choice between attending the school you want or reapplying next year (when it'll probably be even harder to get in).

Usually most people who want gap years are allowed to do so, but usually there aren't many people who want to do gap years (at least in the US).

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