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The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by skellington »

Skunkleton wrote: post #283
skellington wrote: post #72

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As usual, American leaders are choosing OPTION 3 which is the worst option: OPTION 1. (SWEDEN) Control spread just enough to not overwhelm the health care system, but no more than that, in order to get to herd immunity as quickly as possible. This assumes that the area-under-the-curve will be very similar to any option that spreads the time-frame out. This level of lockdown is possible to implement for long periods o…

We already missed the boat on options 1 and 2 due to various governmental incompetencies. Did you not notice that a full third of all cases globally have been in America?

I disagree that we missed the boat on OPTION 1. Option 1 may be the only path currently available to us by removing restrictions in a controlled way.

OPTION 2 is even still a possibility IF we massively ramped up testing and contact tracing. This is possible in theory, but we just not hearing ANYTHING about the real status of mass testing and/or contact tracing procedures (including things like the apple-google app).

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Post by redisman »

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #621
ceejayoz wrote: post #603

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> In India in particular, the lockdown has so far caused more misery than the virus itself... I mean, that's the point, right? Heart surgery hurts more than chest pain, but it's intended to prevent the heart attack.

Sure, but the implementation was still absurdly bad. For example, by imposing a harsh lockdown on cities with no plan for migrant workers, the only thing they could do was head home to their villages, ensuring the virus would be distributed widely across the country.

Can't say I'm surprised though. When and where do governments ever treat migrant workers as humans?

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Post by Marsymars »

tptacek wrote: post #652
Marsymars wrote: post #594

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> My bet at this point is within a few months. What if it doesn't? What if a few months pass, and we're at the same spot we are now, except we're all a few months older and poorer? My jurisdiction is already testing everyone with symptoms with only about half of their current testing capacity, and still has no plan to move forward.

Then we revisit.

Which I'd be fine with if governments were explicit about that timeline .

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Post by pmorici »

jliptzin wrote: post #498
hombre_fatal wrote: post #4

I'm lucky enough to have remote work. And I'm sure many HNers have a nice buffer of savings from their tech jobs to weather the storm or are getting paid time off. But can anyone share what it's like to not be in either of these situations? How are your rent lords handling things? I live abroad in a cheap country so I can handle zero income, but I wouldn't be able to last long if rent was $2000+/mo instead of the Yet…

Yea I am wondering the same thing. I am REALLY lucky to have saved a lot and be in a good living situation where I can quarantine comfortably. But what the hell are people doing who were paycheck to paycheck? I would not blame them if they had to start stealing from supermarkets

There are lots of food pantries in the US and in many of the cities the schools are using the school lunch program money to package food that parents can pick up from the school. There are many avenues for honest people before they have to resort to stealing from a grocery store.

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Post by tbrock »

wpietri wrote: post #393
kvetching wrote: post #373

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That's insane. If they're hesitant to open up now, they will never feel comfortable opening up.

Or perhaps they know more about the topic than we random HN readers and have a plan that they're following.

I doubt it, they don’t teach you much actual science while you are working on a poli-sci major.

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Post by justin66 »

masonic wrote: post #613
justin66 wrote: post #380

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There is a grace period before you have to start paying, and the dates should be on the letter you receive when you leave your employer. The grace period does not last forever, and when it's almost up, you need to pay several months at once to get coverage. (another comment suggests these rules might vary somewhat by state, and I'm sure that is also possible)

For ACA, policies, the grace period is forever. Job loss is a "life event" that lets you jump in any time, not just an arbitrary open enrollment window.

The grace period to start paying for a plan under the ACA is 60 days, not "forever." It's true that you don't need to wait for open enrollment, a special enrollment period opens for you when you lose your job.

edit: I'm not sure there's any grace period at all with the ACA. You have 60 days to sign up, but unlike COBRA, I don't see any evidence you can start using the insurance without paying for it first, which is the nice thing about the COBRA grace period.

https://www.healthcare.gov/coverage-outside-open-enrollment/...

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Post by mikeg8 »

nradov wrote: post #657
mikeg8 wrote: post #628

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Sometimes the scientific process isn’t an option and intuition is required. Look at the results and tell me you would have preferred they waited in the name of science. SF could have been much closer to the situation in NYC...

Go back and read my comment again. I didn't propose waiting on the name of science. Acting on intuition is fine, just don't call it scientific.

Maybe we’re splitting hairs. I agree that it wasn’t “sound science”, but one could argue it was evidence based - the evidence being reports/video coming out of China (I believe there was an article in The Atlantic stating this is what made London Breed issue the first shutdown in the nation). Your use of “faith” based implies to me there was zero evidence taken into account which seems unfair. Again, maybe we’re splitting hairs and trying to agree on the same thing.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

randyrand wrote: post #495
wpietri wrote: post #357

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You could argue it the other way from the same data. Given that public health officials jumped on it early and got us such a low death rate, maybe we should keep trusting their judgment and let them decide when it's safe to reopen.

Deaths per month is not what matters. Its death per infection that matters. And theres no evidence that SF is doing any better in that regard.

That is a terrible metric. We have little reason to believe deaths per infection can be significantly improved with therapeutic intervention.

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Post by redisman »

hysan wrote: post #324
exhilaration wrote: post #310

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Since my wife is on my health insurance plan, COBRA is going to be very expensive. Instead of COBRA, can you get on an Obamacare ACA plan? That might be much cheaper.

My wife is a certified social worker and knows just about everything there is about that. It’ll be cheaper but far worse in terms of coverage and deductibles. So it’s an option for stretching budget, but it’s not a good solution if anything significant happens. I’ll ask her if she knows what’s changed with regards to COVID-19 related cases, but my guess is that nothing in terms of coverage has changed. So given the c…

Unless you have pre-existing conditions or very expensive and rare prescriptions, it's probably worth the gamble to go to something like a silver plan at this point. How many months of COBRA would you pay until you reach the max out of pocket payout for the silver plan is some math you should do. You can scale that based on your risk tolerance.
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