If that is the case then they could communicate that plan a little better. At the end of the day it's their fault if people don't understand why they are taking the actions they are.
I take you're listening to the daily state briefings and similar county press conferences. I have not been having a problem understanding them.
They are understandable but vague.
They should describe in detail when things will reopen and what metrics they’ll use to make that decision.
> The same number of people will get sick but over a longer period of time. Fewer people get sick for two reasons. Flattening the curve reduces the amount of epidemic overshoot. People assume you reach herd immunity levels and the epidemic then dies out. Reality you overshoot herd immunity. At some point you can reestablish contact tracing and isolation. That by itself reduces the required level of immunity and conta…
> My bet at this point is within a few months. What if it doesn't? What if a few months pass, and we're at the same spot we are now, except we're all a few months older and poorer? My jurisdiction is already testing everyone with symptoms with only about half of their current testing capacity, and still has no plan to move forward.
It's only immoral to question the validity of a good cause on the pretense that there's something worse happening out there somewhere...
You're being deliberately obtuse. There are millions of people out of jobs, and soon there'll be millions of people starving. Put moral relativism aside for a minute and think about the real pain that people are feeling right now. These poor dogs aren't going to find homes that can feed them for a long time. At some point you need to stop being selfish and putting your own feelings aside to think about the people aro…
You could make the exact same statement 6 months ago.
The thing I'm confused by is why a costco is open that has like 1000 people per day and a flower shop that has 20 customers per day isn't open. Is the flower shop dangerous? Is it less essential on the yearly timeframe? This lockdown isn't measured in days right now, it's measured in months. What's "essential" in days is not what's "essential" in months.
Another thing that I find funny is how haphazardly the social distancing rules are enforced. At Costco when entering the store, they have you get into an external makeshift line and stand 6 feet away from the next person while waiting for your turn to enter the store. BUT, once you enter the store, there's literally not a single person enforcing anything, and so everyone is just mashed together walking around as if n…
Went to the Costco in South SF today and there were employees with megaphones reminding folks to maintain social distance near the produce, meat and deli sections.
As usual, American leaders are choosing OPTION 3 which is the worst option: OPTION 1. (SWEDEN) Control spread just enough to not overwhelm the health care system, but no more than that, in order to get to herd immunity as quickly as possible. This assumes that the area-under-the-curve will be very similar to any option that spreads the time-frame out. This level of lockdown is possible to implement for long periods o…
These are not mutually exclusive. Option 3 is a consequence of not delivering on Option 2. No one is advocating holding the SIP just because its fun. The reason is because of a lack of control on it (Option 2). Removing SIP prematurely and having a resurgence WILL destroy the economy as well, along with human lives. It's the worst of all options.
YES, but SIP can't stand for long, the people will revolt, a great depression will have other human costs. Choosing the option that's not tenable is bad politics.
The original order was never based on any sound science to begin with. That doesn't necessarily mean it was a bad policy. But it was a faith based policy, not evidence based.
Sometimes the scientific process isn’t an option and intuition is required. Look at the results and tell me you would have preferred they waited in the name of science. SF could have been much closer to the situation in NYC...
Go back and read my comment again. I didn't propose waiting on the name of science. Acting on intuition is fine, just don't call it scientific.
Not to be pedantic but "Silicon Valley janitor" (at least if it's for a big enough tech co) _might_ be doing OK. Various tech companies have publicly committed to paying their own hourly staff and subcontracted workers like food service / janitorial at full standard pre-shutdown rates: https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/06/big-tech-commits-to-paying... (Though I have no insight into whether or not they've actually follow…
Various tech companies I don't know of a single SV tech company that employs any janitorial staff directly.
I'm lucky enough to have remote work. And I'm sure many HNers have a nice buffer of savings from their tech jobs to weather the storm or are getting paid time off. But can anyone share what it's like to not be in either of these situations? How are your rent lords handling things? I live abroad in a cheap country so I can handle zero income, but I wouldn't be able to last long if rent was $2000+/mo instead of the Yet…
They will do the same thing homeowners will do; not pay. I hope nobody on here owns munis or bank stocks. Or REITs.
Depends on the REIT. Some do malls, some do apartments, some do hospitals. I'd expect a residential REIT to see a one to two quarter drop in dividends by maybe 25%. I'm having a hard time justifying a longer term dividend drop or valuation drop because there's still a housing shortage in the US. Unless more people move in with their parents, or something...
As usual, American leaders are choosing OPTION 3 which is the worst option: OPTION 1. (SWEDEN) Control spread just enough to not overwhelm the health care system, but no more than that, in order to get to herd immunity as quickly as possible. This assumes that the area-under-the-curve will be very similar to any option that spreads the time-frame out. This level of lockdown is possible to implement for long periods o…
Where is Spain and Italy in your Options?
Sorry, I didn't want to enumerate all of the minor permutations. As far as I know, Spain and Italy are also doing OPTION 3. They have no realistic post SIP plan.