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The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by rayhendricks »

adventured wrote: post #402
lalaithion wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But is anyone seriously advocating keeping a $600/week around after the quarantine? If we can get out the other side without millions of bankruptcies, foreclosures, and evictions, certainly that will contribute to a faster economic recovery. Sure, some white collar workers will be disincentivized from working... as long as the CARES act stays in effect. And you don't get unemployment if you quit, so no one will activ…

> But is anyone seriously advocating keeping a $600/week around after the quarantine? Yes. Or something close to it: https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-would-receive-2000... "The Emergency Money for the People Act, introduced by Reps. Tim Ryan and Ro Khanna, would give $2,000 a month to Americans over the age of 16 who make less than $130,000 a year." "The payments would continue for at least six months and wo…

It’s either they pay for everyone’s lost salary or people will just disregard the stay home orders and go back to work.

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Post by justin66 »

sbuttgereit wrote: post #390
justin66 wrote: post #79

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The only thing that is going to keep the curve flat (this is kind of a mind-numbing terminology) is human behavior. Exponential growth is still a thing, and we aren't anywhere near achieving herd immunity. (a physician friend mentioned the other day that we're not truly certain yet that COVID 19 sufferers cannot be reinfected, although that's the popular assumption. So there's also that)

How about WHO's current stance... https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/immunity-p...

Last sentence of the first paragraph kind of sums it all up:

There is currently no evidence that people who have recovered from COVID-19 and have antibodies are protected from a second infection.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Post by Enginerrrd »

toasterlovin wrote: post #423
plorkyeran wrote: post #416

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The rates staying flat rather than going up is already a success, not a sign that SIP has failed.

But if the rates stay the same, then all we're accomplishing is slowing the rate at which we reach herd immunity. If herd immunity is the strategy we're pursuing, then we should lift restrictions enough to meet hospital capacity, so we can get to herd immunity as quickly as possible and get the economy back to something approaching normal levels of activity. If the strategy is actually suppression and elimination, th…

There's also the goal of slowing down and stalling in hopes of getting a vaccine, better treatments, production to catch up with supply shortages for healthcare facilities, and allowing healthcare facilities to increase capacity, etc.

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Post by rootusrootus »

tayo42 wrote: post #430
kvetching wrote: post #373

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That's insane. If they're hesitant to open up now, they will never feel comfortable opening up.

I think that's because nothings different then when it all started. If we open everything up we'll just see new cases again

This may be true for years.

We need to be realistic, and remember that the goal all along has been to flatten the curve, not eliminate all infections.

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Post by m463 »

greendave wrote: post #144

The problem is that the shelter-in-place rule is already limited in effectiveness due to a very lengthy list of exceptions plus many people not observing the spirit of the rule. Compliance will only drop over time as people see that 1) Their actions are having no obvious impact and 2) There is no clear end in sight. If the primary goal of extending the order is to give local governments time to build out infrastructu…

The primary goal is to keep the rate of infection under what the health care system can handle.

If the rate of infection exceeds it, the whole house of cards starts coming down. Imagine doctors, firemen and policemen starting to succumb.

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Post by Uhhrrr »

bermanoid wrote: post #422
kvetching wrote: post #373

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That's insane. If they're hesitant to open up now, they will never feel comfortable opening up.

If you can point to something about the situation that has changed since the shelter-in-place was initiated that would indicate it's not needed anymore, I'd love to hear it. The virus hasn't gone away, we don't have any medications to make it reliably recoverable, we don't have test + trace ability in place (anecdotally, even if you're symptomatic but not in seriously bad condition it's still very difficult to get te…

I agree that opening up in a dumb way would let the virus rip through the population.

But we now know that surface transmission isn't as big a deal, and that spreading is much less likely when there isn't sustained contact. We also now have everyone wearing masks.

Given those things, I would think that any shop where you ordinarily go in for five or ten minutes and don't touch a bunch of things (shoe repair, sporting goods, NOT bookstores) would be very low risk.

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Post by cylinder »

lowpro wrote: post #330
hombre_fatal wrote: post #4

I'm lucky enough to have remote work. And I'm sure many HNers have a nice buffer of savings from their tech jobs to weather the storm or are getting paid time off. But can anyone share what it's like to not be in either of these situations? How are your rent lords handling things? I live abroad in a cheap country so I can handle zero income, but I wouldn't be able to last long if rent was $2000+/mo instead of the Yet…

My friend who works at the airport in the Galapagos (GPS) was telling me that no one has gotten paid since the tourism stopped. Luckily she can work on farm, but many can't. The local animal shelter there is now out of food, and the dogs will starve if they don't somehow raise money in the next 3 days or so (@patitasgalapaguenas on instagram, you can donate here [0]). The US is struggling in many ways, but I can't he…

This is not at all different from what's going on across the US for anyone who works in a service role, and most people still haven't had their UI claims processed / payments made.

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Post by blast »

icelancer wrote: post #414
blast wrote: post #165

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It's a class divide, unfortunately. The people who are getting hit hardest are the people who were already getting hit hardest. Most of those don't frequent the same internet forums we do.

Also sector divide. Small business owners are getting killed. PPP and EIDL will be a drop in the bucket. Mass conglomerations are coming and in 12 months we'll wonder why Amazon and Walmart and other multinational corps bought everything up.

You're right. Another issue is the age divide. Younger people: harder hit economically, less so by the virus; older people: harder hit by the virus, less so economically. This can only worsen the class fissure which had already developed along generational lines.

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Post by cylinder »

abfan1127 wrote: post #251
01100011 wrote: post #243

I'm surprised we're not seeing plans for some businesses to reopen with restrictions. I think it will be a while before we allow haircuts and manicures again, but I see no reason why we can't increase the types of businesses allowed open. Limiting occupancy, requiring PPE, and enforcing social distancing appear to be reasonable requirements. I hope the politicians and government workers are busy trying to find a midd…

why haircuts and manicures? Its a low population setting (1:1). If there is proper hand washing between clients, each new client gets a squirt of sanitizer, and both clients and stylists wear a mask? Require every haircut to start with a shampoo for mechanical disinfection.

Salons/barbers have stayed open in Australia the entire time, which has perplexed many but there have been no cases traced back to a salon.
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