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Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by superpermutat0r »

arcticbull wrote: post #62
triyambakam wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for asking! but unfortunately I haven't written anything up about it, but informally I can share that it's really benefited our health and even finances. Eating beans and rice every day and not eating out is very cheap. I buy most of our food in bulk online or from local farms - e.g. just got 50kg of chickpeas in the mail and 20kg of string beans from a farm. We also avoid eating oil for health reasons

The minimum daily intake of carbs for a human to remain healthy is zero. The minimum daily intake of oil is in fact, not zero, as oils are required for the basic functioning of a human.

But minimum daily intake of fiber, for humans to remain healthy, is not zero.

Vegetables, especially if you eat them in amounts that sustain your weight, have enough omega essential fatty acids to last you a lifetime.

Legumes do have fat in them.

If you eat 2000kcal of red lentils, there's more than enough protein and fat content, almost meets your omega-3 essential fatty acid requirement. Nothing stops you from adding different fattier vegetables.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by Scapeghost »

This is just wrong.

Anyone who justifies in any way this is evil.

With practices like this, and other less murderous but still extremely wasteful shit like airlines burning thousands of gallons of fuel to keep their "slots" (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22511488), I for one won't even mind if something decimates our so-called civilization.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by BubRoss »

mmsimanga wrote: post #94
downerending wrote: post #34

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If it makes you feel any better, you may regard yourself complicit every time you leave a scrap of meat on your plate.

I struggle with leaving plate on my food and I also struggle with my weight. Growing up we weren't allowed to leave food on the plate. To this day I still feel guilty for leaving food on a plate and yet I am overweight. I know the answer is to dish out a little and get seconds if need be. Problem is I live with people who do more cooking than I do and because I am a fairly big guy they can't help but dish out massive…

Stop eating sugar, watch 'sugar: the butter truth'. This isn't something that is happening -to- you, it is something you can control.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by codeulike »

Scapeghost wrote: post #104

This is just wrong. Anyone who justifies in any way this is evil. With practices like this, and other less murderous but still extremely wasteful shit like airlines burning thousands of gallons of fuel to keep their "slots" ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22511488 ), I for one won't even mind if something decimates our so-called civilization.

https://www.quora.com/How-many-chickens-are-killed-everyday

The U.S. consumes 9 billion chickens per year, so that’s 24 million chickens killed per day for food.

So this article (about the 2m chickens) is about 9% of one days worth of chicken death in the usa, just for reference.

(I agree with your point, industrialised meat production is nighmarish)

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by Viliam1234 »

enneff wrote: post #81
zhte415 wrote: post #59

I'd say set them free. But given the breeding of commercial chickens they'd simply not survive in the wild - not stop growing and after just days be unable to move, and easy prey. If you're fortunate enough to have land, use it, even a balcony or window sill can be put to good use. There are plenty of guides on YouTube, and for a window sill no need to spend money on herbs again. For food or for leisure (or both) - i…

Releasing them would be dooming them to a horrible death. They'd end up ripped apart by wild animals or otherwise injured and live in pain until they die.

> live in pain until they die.

The ethically important part is that those would be different flavors of pain than the ones they would have experienced in factory farming normally.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by nradov »

superpermutat0r wrote: post #101
arcticbull wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The minimum daily intake of carbs for a human to remain healthy is zero. The minimum daily intake of oil is in fact, not zero, as oils are required for the basic functioning of a human.

But minimum daily intake of fiber, for humans to remain healthy, is not zero. Vegetables, especially if you eat them in amounts that sustain your weight, have enough omega essential fatty acids to last you a lifetime. Legumes do have fat in them. If you eat 2000kcal of red lentils, there's more than enough protein and fat content, almost meets your omega-3 essential fatty acid requirement. Nothing stops you from addi…

Humans can be healthy without fiber. For example, see the traditional Inuit diet (at least during winter).

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by dr_dshiv »

sfj wrote: post #69
naruvimama wrote: post #58

It is our collective karma, to outsource cruelty to industrial animal farming. Even though I have become mostly vegetarian, it is quite tempting to buy meat for the convenience and the fact that sometimes it is much cheaper than fresh vegetables (at least in the west). Human progress and social evolution has somehow come with greater compassion for fellow beings. Will our coming generations value compassion in itself…

I find the assumptions embedded in this argument very strange. It brings up a huge number of questions. Only a conscious being would feel pain, so what is consciousness? Does it come down and embed itself into creatures that are born? If so, if they weren't born, would that be necessarily better? What if consciousness, if it didn't have a body to enter into, appeared in a different universe from ours with its own, po…

Well, it's murky, but some easy thought experiments might bring clarity: * Should we raise humans on factory farms, in order to increase the amount of conscious experience? * if so, and assuming that humans pay more attention to aversive stimuli than positive/neutral stimuli, should we deliberately torture them?

Both propositions are obviously horrible. But why? The answer is similar to why the death of worms Consciousness is a matter of connected/integrated complexity; as a result, millions of worms do not eventually produce the depth and richness of human consciousness. Secondly, consciousness is dependent upon other conscious beings; our consciousness isn't really our own, it is part of a shared web. So, consciousness that does not participate in that shared web is less conscious, in a real sense, than consciousness that does.

For both these reasons, if we value consciousness, the only real benefits of factory farmed chickens would come from how they help contribute to the overall conscious ecosystem. Perhaps they let us build more integrated complexity, in which case, thanks.

Re: 2M chickens to be killed in US processing plants due to lack of employees

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Post by skybrian »

mike_d wrote: post #64
Melting_Harps wrote: post #31

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> I think the word prematurely is missing If its a the processing plant that's kind of true, even if they could run them through the automated 'harvesting' system its probably really expensive to store until an undisclosed time for it to be processed and then sent to market. At a significant loss in Market price, I imagine. So its best to take the subsidy/insured loss and restart again. This is actually really fuckin…

> focus on the World's broken food supply and its immense waste That is an extremely hyperbolic statement. According to the United Nations [ https://tinyurl.com/y9esnjez ] fruits, vegetables, cereals, and roots account for 70% of all food waste. It is unfortunate that due to a global pandemic they had to be put down, but chickens are the most efficient form for preserving and delivering calories from grains to the ta…

Well, that raises further questions. How could a chicken farm or chicken meat in a freezer be more efficient forms of calorie storage than a grain silo or a shipment of flour? Do you have a source?
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