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Will cable TV be invaded by commercials? (1981)

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I will bet a lot that Netflix is headed this way too. Once Netflix stops growing, it will need to find additional growth, and advertisement will be the way to additional profit.

There is already plenty of product placement on Netflix. The smoking is notorious, for example. They cram in cigarettes wherever they can, often to the detriment of the scene. I really wish there were laws mandating a very obvious " this scene was sponsored by X" overlay.

Plus all the Apple branded things too. It's especially interesting because only "good characters" can use Apple's devices on screens [1].

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22434315

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I don't pirate because I don't want to pay for content - I pirate because it is the only way I can get a lot of content. I wish there was a global way to subscribe to and pay for content in a market/app-independant way. If you are not in the USA, Canada or UK, your options to pay for the most popular, newest content are very, very limited. And if you are in a very small and/or somewhat impoverished country, forget ab…

I've argued about this numerous times: ISP's need to provide customers with an opt-in p2p license that adds a small fee to their monthly bill. This monthly fee is transferred to a central authority, the ISP does not make any profit from this fee. The license would allow users to torrent whatever content they want. Torrent trackers would be fully legal, their only legal obligation would be keeping track of torrent pop…

> I've argued about this numerous times: ISP's need to provide customers with an opt-in p2p license that adds a small fee to their monthly bill.

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As long as websites continue letting you access them on mobile without the app…

A lot of them try really hard not to. A reason for the "show desktop-version" setting's popularity. It's really sad that this has to be a thing, and doesen't really remedy the situation, more like a bandaid.

I wish Request Desktop Site would also fake a larger viewport width, maybe 1024px or so.

Without that, it’s becoming increasingly less useful IMO.

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They crossed the line for me. Someone wiser than me said they'll put as many ads as we will tolerate.

Imagine that when "Star Trek" was originally airing, the episodes could be 50 minutes long to allow for commercials in a 60 minute slot.

By the time Star Trek was in reruns in the 80's they were cutting a few minutes here and there to allow for the longer commercial time.

By the time the cable Sci-Fi (or was it Sy-Fy yet?) aired them "un cut" they had to put them into a 90 minute slot.

Sometime before the latter example, I ended up cutting the cord: stopped paying for television. You have to decide where the line is for you and act.

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I think the reason you are being downvoted is due to your aggressive tone and due to you not including many sources in your claims (or at least, minimal reasoning behind them).

https://ourworldindata.org/

The reason I phrased it as a search term, rather than via reference, is to encourage people just to search for it.

I'm sufficiently confident in the empirical evidence that any reputable-looking resource measuring these things over the last 40year will report what I describe.

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To make it precise: growth is the next generation having a greater abundance than the current. If you care about global poverty, disease, famine etc. then you care about growth. Since we do not have levels of abundance which reach everyone even in rich societies, growth is everywhere a concern. To "question its value" is to say: since I have sufficient wealth, that'll do for the planet.

> If you care about global poverty, disease, famine etc. then you care about growth. I care about diseases being allowed to spread more than they should in the name of growth. This pandemic happened precisely because of greed and the “growth” fetish. Poverty is skyrocketing now precisely because we didn't bother to stop to set up safeguards in our neverending lust for growth. I care about our privacy being forcibly p…

A word cloud of nonesense ideological boogeymen connected by free-association.

In two years time when the death rate on C19 is reported at as-flu levels and the world is in a global depression with massive excess poverty, death, and abuse you'll be ranting then too -- just connecting these to "neoliberal conspiracies" as now.

Rather, this will be caused by precise the lack of concern for the economy.

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FWIW, uBlock Origin is very effective against Youtube. I never see ads on Youtube.

Same for me, when i use youtube on my mobile i am flabbergasted by the amount of ads and 20 minute promo programs. Why and how can you watch that without a add blocker?

If you're on Android, there's NewPipe, a fantastic YouTube client that brings all the benefits of YouTube Premium: no ads, downloads, listen with screen off, and picture in picture.

NewPipe also supports other services such as SoundCloud, MediaCCC and PeerTube right out of the box. The killer feature for me is that you can make up playlists containing media from different sources (which I use for playlists containing music from both YouTube and SoundCloud).

(I'm not involved in NewPipe, except being a very happy user).

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> ''Propaganda masquerading as information'' is the reaction of Peggy Charren, president of Action for Children's Television, to such proposed programs. Unless there are sufficient safeguards, viewers - especially children - may find it difficult to distinguish between the program and the advertisement, says Mrs. Charren, raising the specter of ''30-minute toy-store shows.''

It's interesting how a generation raised in war (WWII, Vietnam) was very sensitive to propaganda and how it influenced their children. Whereas today, propaganda is spread on TV networks, the internet, and other news sources and yet very few people stop and ask what the intent of the source of information is.

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>"Growth" is now one of my most hated overused business lingo, after "innovation". Is it too naive to hope that this pandemic will make us collectively question the value of creeds like growth for growth's sake? The "growth for growth's sake" is a thought-stopping meme. Let's unpack why that's an inaccurate reason for why companies do what they do and also why people who don't even work at those companies also care a…

Shouldn't dividends make up for any slowdown in growth? If I buy a share in Netflix and instead of the share price rising I get instead a dividend payment, I'd be fine with that, right?

>Shouldn't dividends make up for any slowdown in growth? If I buy a share in Netflix and instead of the share price rising I get instead a dividend payment, I'd be fine with that, right?

Not really. To riff on the old saying, "money doesn't grow on trees", we can also say "dividends don't grow on trees."

Where do dividends come from? From profits. But where do profits come from? In accounting lingo, we say profits come from "revenue minus costs" but to restate that in human action terms, we notice that profits come from Company X's purposeful activities that are desired by customers that choose to spend money with Company X instead of Company Y. Therefore, dividends are not guaranteed and in the hyper-competitive business sector Netflix operates, it requires growth to pay them.

If we mentally substitute "Blockbuster Inc" for "Netflix" in your dividend suggestion: "Can't shareholders just be happy with Blockbuster paying dividends instead of worrying about growth?"

... we'll see the "dividends instead of growth" won't work. In 2002, Blockbuster started losing money to upstart Netflix. If you look at Blockbusters historical stock prices[1], you'll see they started falling towards $0 because of repeated annual losses. Netflix was growing and Blockbuster was not. With accounting losses, Blockbuster has no profits and thus, no dividends to pay. Blockbuster eventually went bankrupt. Blockbuster did try to "grow" but it wasn't enough. No only do you have to grow as part of business strategy, you have to grow correctly with smart bets.

With Blockbuster as a case study, we can see that suggesting "Why can't Netflix shareholders be happy with dividends instead of growing?" -- will not work. Netflix's dividends/profits will evaporate if they don't grow to respond to Amazon Prime Video, HBO streaming, Disney streaming, Apple TV, etc. Yes, an "old-economy" business like railroads with little competition can pay dividends but Netflix is not that type of company. All the video streaming businesses are still furiously competing for consumers' discretionary entertainment budget. To not grow is to die because your customers leave for other more attractive video offerings.

E.g. in 2002, Netflix went public and had $272 million in revenue[2]. If Netflix adopted the "we don't believe in growth" and just simply collected the same $272 million every year until today, they would not have been able to offer $100 million to buy House of Cards in 2011. This means HBO or Amazon would have outbid them making Netflix less attractive for new memberships or existing members to renew. In 2011, Netflix could afford paying $100 million because 2010 revenue already exceeded $2 billion. Because they grew.

Ok, so let's say we hypothetically rule out expensive bidding wars to license content. You still need growth instead of a flatline revenue of $272 million for the next 18 years. Your employees want their salaries to grow with merit increases, bonuses, etc -- because their apartment rents, food costs, car insurance, etc go up. The existing content partners will want increased payments to license their shows when contract renewal comes up. The rent of office space leases, electricity, health insurance, etc all go up. Increasing salaries, license costs, fixed overhead costs, etc will subtract more and more from that "no-growth-just-the-same-$272 million-revenue-every-year". There will eventually be no profits left over to pay dividends.

In other words... the problem with a "no growth ideology" is that the world out there may not want to cooperate with you! They have their own agendas.

[1] https://external-preview.redd.it/Hfg1XQCVUlO2Og1_d9iSi0Ovekj...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netflix#Membership_fee,_Blockb...

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> Growth is that continuing. For how long? Until when? What is the endgame?

Until everyone on Earth is satisfied with their quality of life. Growth doesn't necessarily mean doing more, sometimes you can achieve growth by doing less. This will become a bigger focus in future.
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