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Coronavirus will change airlines and the way we fly

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Re: Coronavirus will change airlines and the way we fly

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> Configurations are likely to change as carriers try to squeeze more money from customers. If that’s not what they were already doing, I wonder what that will look like. Anyway, it’s not necessarily bad. Air travel was way too cheap considering its externalities. I know someone who _commutes_ by plane because their office is two countries over (in Europe), they don’t want to move to the much higher COL country where…

Is one of the countries Luxembourg?

Re: Coronavirus will change airlines and the way we fly

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a good point, but I’m also starting to speculate whether, when the infection rates and (crucially) hospital occupation rates diminish, we will see some people deliberately seeking to get infected so as to gain immunity whilst the risks are low, specifically, when they can be reasonably certain that if they experience severe symptoms they’ll have a place in an ICU to receive intensive care. This might sound uns…

What's with WHO statements that there is no evidence of immunity for covid19 infected?

They don't want people to be confident, they don't want to take the risk that they skip vaccination.

Re: Coronavirus will change airlines and the way we fly

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I have a hunch that once the severity of the pandemic eases, we may see an increase in car journeys for holidays, particularly for continental Europe. Why? Many people will remain cautious about travelling with strangers in closely packed airplane cabins or even train carriages. The alternative is to travel by car. But people can only tolerate a certain amount of time in the car and so this may affect where people tr…

That’s a good point, but I’m also starting to speculate whether, when the infection rates and (crucially) hospital occupation rates diminish, we will see some people deliberately seeking to get infected so as to gain immunity whilst the risks are low, specifically, when they can be reasonably certain that if they experience severe symptoms they’ll have a place in an ICU to receive intensive care. This might sound uns…

Seems like a pretty risky thing to do. Not only to yourself since you don’t know in advance if you’re going to have symptoms or not (risking permanent injury and death) but to your family and wider society. It would only take a few people doing this and not adequately self isolating for the weeks required to get better to start spreading the virus again quickly.

Re: Coronavirus will change airlines and the way we fly

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I wish they would simply remove every second seat and charge twice the price. That would mean the same revenue for the airline and a much more comfortable flight for me. Win win. And they would probably still have some wiggle room. Because 50% less customers would mean at least some reduction in costs. What about the HN gang? Would you keep flying if prices doubled?

If I wanted to pay ~double for a more comfortable flight, I'd be flying first class everywhere.

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Personally, I expect to walk straight to the sink and wash my hands, as soon as I get indoors, for the rest of my life.

Incredible that it takes a global pandemic for people to care about hygiene lol

There were no significant threats in the West before corona to justify high level of hygiene. How many people does the average person know who died of something preventable with good hygiene?

Secondly, increased hygiene has it's own set of problems. You dont kill just corona, you also kill the countless harmless pathogens, but who are important to keep your immune system on its toes. Its suspected that the reason there are so many allergic persons in the West lately it's the increasingly sanitized world around us.

Re: Coronavirus will change airlines and the way we fly

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I wish they would simply remove every second seat and charge twice the price. That would mean the same revenue for the airline and a much more comfortable flight for me. Win win. And they would probably still have some wiggle room. Because 50% less customers would mean at least some reduction in costs. What about the HN gang? Would you keep flying if prices doubled?

American tried this a few years ago with "more legroom throughout coach" back in 2005-ish and it nearly bankrupted them. People flatly and absolutely refuse to pay more than the bare minimum to fly places. This will not change once the pandemic panic dies down.

I'd pay a bit more for transcontinental flying but, like, I'm very much in the minority and I fly enough to get free upgrades most of the time anyways.

Re: Coronavirus will change airlines and the way we fly

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post #14
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a good point, but I’m also starting to speculate whether, when the infection rates and (crucially) hospital occupation rates diminish, we will see some people deliberately seeking to get infected so as to gain immunity whilst the risks are low, specifically, when they can be reasonably certain that if they experience severe symptoms they’ll have a place in an ICU to receive intensive care. This might sound uns…

What's with WHO statements that there is no evidence of immunity for covid19 infected?

They are correct: there is no evidence specifically of COVID immunity after infection. There's a very (very) high likelihood based on everything we know about humans and viruses (corona flavored or otherwise), but it's fair to expect a study confirming as much before making a global public health policy decision of that magnitude.

This article references the WHO statement [1].

[1] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/warns-coronavirus-imm...

Re: Coronavirus will change airlines and the way we fly

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I wish they would simply remove every second seat and charge twice the price. That would mean the same revenue for the airline and a much more comfortable flight for me. Win win. And they would probably still have some wiggle room. Because 50% less customers would mean at least some reduction in costs. What about the HN gang? Would you keep flying if prices doubled?

American tried this a few years ago with "more legroom throughout coach" back in 2005-ish and it nearly bankrupted them. People flatly and absolutely refuse to pay more than the bare minimum to fly places. This will not change once the pandemic panic dies down. I'd pay a bit more for transcontinental flying but, like, I'm very much in the minority and I fly enough to get free upgrades most of the time anyways.

    This will not change once
    the pandemic panic dies down
Once the pandemic dies down, they can put the seats back in.

Re: Coronavirus will change airlines and the way we fly

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

American tried this a few years ago with "more legroom throughout coach" back in 2005-ish and it nearly bankrupted them. People flatly and absolutely refuse to pay more than the bare minimum to fly places. This will not change once the pandemic panic dies down. I'd pay a bit more for transcontinental flying but, like, I'm very much in the minority and I fly enough to get free upgrades most of the time anyways.

This will not change once the pandemic panic dies down Once the pandemic dies down, they can put the seats back in.

I think it's self-selecting: the ones who fear flying won't fly no matter how many seats are aboard, and the ones who don't, don't care so much about the social distancing. Consider United's new aspirational social distancing program [1] where they don't do anything but block seat selection until check-in, so you can see who's next to you when you do, I think. It's such a non-policy it's kind of unclear.

[1] https://liveandletsfly.com/united-airlines-social-distancing...

Re: Coronavirus will change airlines and the way we fly

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> Configurations are likely to change as carriers try to squeeze more money from customers. If that’s not what they were already doing, I wonder what that will look like. Anyway, it’s not necessarily bad. Air travel was way too cheap considering its externalities. I know someone who _commutes_ by plane because their office is two countries over (in Europe), they don’t want to move to the much higher COL country where…

I know someone who does that too, it is totally bonkers to me that she flies twice a week just to get to an office in a different country. She also told me (before the virus already) that she really doesn't need to be there, she could just as well do a conference call once a week.
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