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Coronavirus will change airlines and the way we fly

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Re: Coronavirus will change airlines and the way we fly

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Post by ornornor »

rovr138 wrote: post #9
ornornor wrote: post #3

> Configurations are likely to change as carriers try to squeeze more money from customers. If that’s not what they were already doing, I wonder what that will look like. Anyway, it’s not necessarily bad. Air travel was way too cheap considering its externalities. I know someone who _commutes_ by plane because their office is two countries over (in Europe), they don’t want to move to the much higher COL country where…

Do they go in to the office twice a week or do they fly on Monday and leave on Friday? The part about not letting them be remote is confusing me. Where do they stay when they go in to the office?

They fly on Sunday afternoon and leave on Friday after work, so they spent maybe 48h total with their family. They have an apartment rented next to the office. It’s still cheaper apparently because they bring their own food for the week to avoid spending money on it here, the kid goes to school in the other country, and the partner doesn’t work. Oh and the airport is 90 minutes away (by train thankfully) from the office.

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Post by irrational »

open-source-ux wrote: post #5

I have a hunch that once the severity of the pandemic eases, we may see an increase in car journeys for holidays, particularly for continental Europe. Why? Many people will remain cautious about travelling with strangers in closely packed airplane cabins or even train carriages. The alternative is to travel by car. But people can only tolerate a certain amount of time in the car and so this may affect where people tr…

> The alternative is to travel by car. But people can only tolerate a certain amount of time in the car

We routinely drive 2000 miles round trip to visit family. People can tolerate lots of time in the car if they really want to go somewhere.

Re: Coronavirus will change airlines and the way we fly

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Post by TekMol »

I wish they would simply remove every second seat and charge twice the price. That would mean the same revenue for the airline and a much more comfortable flight for me. Win win.

And they would probably still have some wiggle room. Because 50% less customers would mean at least some reduction in costs.

What about the HN gang? Would you keep flying if prices doubled?

Re: Coronavirus will change airlines and the way we fly

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Post by tshanmu »

qubex wrote: post #7
open-source-ux wrote: post #5

I have a hunch that once the severity of the pandemic eases, we may see an increase in car journeys for holidays, particularly for continental Europe. Why? Many people will remain cautious about travelling with strangers in closely packed airplane cabins or even train carriages. The alternative is to travel by car. But people can only tolerate a certain amount of time in the car and so this may affect where people tr…

That’s a good point, but I’m also starting to speculate whether, when the infection rates and (crucially) hospital occupation rates diminish, we will see some people deliberately seeking to get infected so as to gain immunity whilst the risks are low, specifically, when they can be reasonably certain that if they experience severe symptoms they’ll have a place in an ICU to receive intensive care. This might sound uns…

What's with WHO statements that there is no evidence of immunity for covid19 infected?

Re: Coronavirus will change airlines and the way we fly

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Post by mydongle »

samatman wrote: post #10
Pfhreak wrote: post #2

I think about the depression era behaviors that stuck around in my grandparents as a good example of what to expect coming out of this pandemic. They learned certain things out of necessity and it changed their worldview on everything from darning their own socks to what ingredients they'd use in their cooking. I expect that many of us will carry similar behavioral scars for years or decades later - ensuring we have…

Personally, I expect to walk straight to the sink and wash my hands, as soon as I get indoors, for the rest of my life.

Incredible that it takes a global pandemic for people to care about hygiene lol

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

TekMol wrote: post #13

I wish they would simply remove every second seat and charge twice the price. That would mean the same revenue for the airline and a much more comfortable flight for me. Win win. And they would probably still have some wiggle room. Because 50% less customers would mean at least some reduction in costs. What about the HN gang? Would you keep flying if prices doubled?

> I wish they would simply remove every second seat and charge twice the price

Will that help with the virus? It is less than six feet and you will be with that person for hours or so.

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Post by vkou »

TekMol wrote: post #13

I wish they would simply remove every second seat and charge twice the price. That would mean the same revenue for the airline and a much more comfortable flight for me. Win win. And they would probably still have some wiggle room. Because 50% less customers would mean at least some reduction in costs. What about the HN gang? Would you keep flying if prices doubled?

If I wanted to pay ~double for a more comfortable flight, I'd be flying first class everywhere.

Re: Coronavirus will change airlines and the way we fly

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Post by TekMol »

vkou wrote: post #17
TekMol wrote: post #13

I wish they would simply remove every second seat and charge twice the price. That would mean the same revenue for the airline and a much more comfortable flight for me. Win win. And they would probably still have some wiggle room. Because 50% less customers would mean at least some reduction in costs. What about the HN gang? Would you keep flying if prices doubled?

If I wanted to pay ~double for a more comfortable flight, I'd be flying first class everywhere.

Not sure where you are flying. In Europe, there usually is no such option. Most of the time, all you can do is pay an additional €30 or so and get a seat with more legroom. And that's it.

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Post by TekMol »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #16
TekMol wrote: post #13

I wish they would simply remove every second seat and charge twice the price. That would mean the same revenue for the airline and a much more comfortable flight for me. Win win. And they would probably still have some wiggle room. Because 50% less customers would mean at least some reduction in costs. What about the HN gang? Would you keep flying if prices doubled?

> I wish they would simply remove every second seat and charge twice the price Will that help with the virus? It is less than six feet and you will be with that person for hours or so.

Imagine 9 passengers sitting like this:

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Now lets remove 4 of them:

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    * *
I would say every one has at least a 50% reduction in the number of people close to them. On top of that, minimum distance and average distance both went up. I wouldn't be surprised if the infection rate in the second example is only 10% of the first.

Pair that with everyone wearing a mask. I have read that the infection rate goes down by 95% between two people wearing a mask in comparison to two peole wearing no mask.

Pair that with a 10-minute test [1] which everyone has to take at the airport and let only negatively tested passangers on board.

I think instead of trying to wait it out and print money, we should start to engineer ourselfes out of this crisis.

[1] https://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2020/04/a-third-solution.h...

Re: Coronavirus will change airlines and the way we fly

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Post by redis_mlc »

tshanmu wrote: post #14
qubex wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a good point, but I’m also starting to speculate whether, when the infection rates and (crucially) hospital occupation rates diminish, we will see some people deliberately seeking to get infected so as to gain immunity whilst the risks are low, specifically, when they can be reasonably certain that if they experience severe symptoms they’ll have a place in an ICU to receive intensive care. This might sound uns…

What's with WHO statements that there is no evidence of immunity for covid19 infected?

I haven't seen anything confirming that, either weakly or strongly. It's unlikely to be true, since most diseases don't behave that way, but we'll see.

All we really know is that the current corona tests don't seem to be very accurate.

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