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In 4 US state prisons, 3,300 inmates test positive, 96% without symptoms

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Re: In 4 US state prisons, 3,300 inmates test positive, 96% without symptoms

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Post by sampsonitify »

danieltillett wrote: post #392
cameldrv wrote: post #378

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I think that. depending on the air conditioning system, it might be quite a bit worse. The density of people is huge, air flows freely between cells, prisoners eat packed together at communal tables. I bet R is like 10-20.

On the Diamond Princess it was about around 14. I would expect prisons to be much the same.

Do you know how that broke down by room? Is there data on that? I wanted to make a map by room of infections, because that data point should be useful, e.g. was the rate higher or lower in rooms with outside access? Crew versus passengers? I just don't know of it already exists, or how to source the data.

Re: In 4 US state prisons, 3,300 inmates test positive, 96% without symptoms

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Post by vanniv »

flying_kiwi wrote: post #408
vanniv wrote: post #180

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I don't really have enough karma to be able to waste responding, but I'll make an exception for you, since you asked more politely than most. First, there's not much secrecy involved. It isn't a secret at all that, Hollywood, the American mainstream media, and the political left are all on the same side. It's been obvious for 30 years now. What we are currently living through is a left-authoritarian consolidation of…

It's amazing how much the political left is able to get done with the political right controlling the senate and the presidency :)

That's the power of owning the education system, the media, and all of the big tech businesses.

You don't need the presidency when you can make the presidency meaningless. Look at Trump -- every time he tries to take any position at all, he gets wrecked and ultimately loses. The media destroy him, the tech companies disband any gatherings of his followers.

Besides, unlike the left, the right and Republicans are a fractious, disunited lot. They can't hardly agree on anything -- too many incompatible viewpoints -- so they're almost completely ineffective anyway.

Re: In 4 US state prisons, 3,300 inmates test positive, 96% without symptoms

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Post by laufj »

jwlake wrote: post #137

One of the super-interesting things here, is that apparently everyone was in the specific window where they test positive for the virus. This implies the population was recently infected, had not been previously infected, and it spread almost completely within a tight window. This implies a shocking high R(effective) for that population. In 2 weeks we'll have super interesting data one way of the other on the CFR.

We don't know if infection provides immunity, so they could be repeat infections, or even viruses that never cleared.

Re: In 4 US state prisons, 3,300 inmates test positive, 96% without symptoms

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Post by laufj »

I'm curious how they determined if inmates were asymptomatic. If it was just asking, the symptoms may be under reported. In prison, you try and appear invincible, your survival depends on it, so I could imagine many people saying they are asymptomatic when they are not.

Re: In 4 US state prisons, 3,300 inmates test positive, 96% without symptoms

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Post by AlexCoventry »

redis_mlc wrote: post #484
elihu wrote: post #463

Some possibilities: there is widespread infection from a common source around the same time, and many of those "asymptomatic" inmates aren't going to stay that way; the test has false positives; the population of this prison is comprised mostly of people who tend to be asymptomatic carriers (for example, if most prisoners are in their early 20's); COVID-19 has a lot more asymptomatic carriers than we thought.

Or, you know, stop rejecting data that doesn't reinforce your view that the sky is falling. Because it isn't. Around half of SF has been exposed to corona at this point, yet the hospitals are basically empty and the governor gave away 500 ventilators last month because we don't need many. HN is about as accepting of scientific data as Fox news at this point. If you're one of the sheeple that believes the falsehood th…

Were the tests described in this article PCR- or antibody-based?

Re: In 4 US state prisons, 3,300 inmates test positive, 96% without symptoms

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Post by Meckin »

laufj wrote: post #494

I'm curious how they determined if inmates were asymptomatic. If it was just asking, the symptoms may be under reported. In prison, you try and appear invincible, your survival depends on it, so I could imagine many people saying they are asymptomatic when they are not.

So many assumptions, I highly doubt from my time being in prisons others would think... Oh man that guy has the cold.. He must be weak.

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Post by sadfklsjlkjwt »

redis_mlc wrote: post #484
elihu wrote: post #463

Some possibilities: there is widespread infection from a common source around the same time, and many of those "asymptomatic" inmates aren't going to stay that way; the test has false positives; the population of this prison is comprised mostly of people who tend to be asymptomatic carriers (for example, if most prisoners are in their early 20's); COVID-19 has a lot more asymptomatic carriers than we thought.

Or, you know, stop rejecting data that doesn't reinforce your view that the sky is falling. Because it isn't. Around half of SF has been exposed to corona at this point, yet the hospitals are basically empty and the governor gave away 500 ventilators last month because we don't need many. HN is about as accepting of scientific data as Fox news at this point. If you're one of the sheeple that believes the falsehood th…

Where do get the idea that half of SF has been exposed?

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Post by cozzyd »

CydeWeys wrote: post #234
AJ007 wrote: post #226

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8,399,000 people in NYC, 21 percent of that is 1,763,790. 1% of that is 17,000. So far as of Saturday at 6:49pm EST 16,919 have officially died in NYC. I think the anti-body test in this case is fairly close and the death rate is probably 1% more or less depending on the demographic distribution. Obviously there are a number of people in NYC who will die over the next month even if all new infections where halted rig…

You're using the death count for the entire state, not just NYC. The blood antibody test positive % for the overall state is 13, not 21. And the population is around 19.5 million.

The NYC DPH reports both a confirmed and probable death count. The sum of those, as of Saturday, is 16270

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Post by arcticbull »

greedo wrote: post #488
djsumdog wrote: post #485

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but it would go against everything we know about viruses and our adaptive immune systems. I know there are some vaccines with lower take rates. Hep B requires 3 injections and only has a 60% change of generating antibodies. But an immune response from an actual virus should last for at least a few years. There are situations where you can get reinfected later in life if you're not exposed or given booster shots (like…

This should be something that can/will be resolved by testing. I find it unusual that no medical authority is going on record as saying there's any long term immunity granted by infection, and that the WHO is being extremely clear in the lack of evidence to support such a conclusion.

Greedo, no. haha. They're not on record yet because the tests are under way. Had they found an early failure that shakes the foundations of medical science, they'd have shared it. Especially in this news cycle which overwhelmingly favors negative information.

It's like saying "I find it very strange no scientists came out on record this week with a study showing water remains wet -- does it?! How can we tell if we don't check again."

Lack of proof of an affirmative is not proof of a negative, and especially not when plenty of other evidence points in the direction of the affirmative (again, not conclusively).

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Post by gjs278 »

laufj wrote: post #494

I'm curious how they determined if inmates were asymptomatic. If it was just asking, the symptoms may be under reported. In prison, you try and appear invincible, your survival depends on it, so I could imagine many people saying they are asymptomatic when they are not.

lol. just lol. yes i’m sure they lied to the doctors one on one and were able to hide the coughing. maybe a little less intellectual curiosity would help you.
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