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Oculus Quest sold something like 200k units... That's small potatoes and I wouldn't classify Quest or VR as 'mainstream'.

They’ve sold way more units than that. At least 400,000 units as of October 2019 according to this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/gamedaily.biz/article/1337/repo...

Fair, but that is still niche. It's a big world out there and those numbers are small in that context.

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Except that Apple wouldn't have survived if their primary business was mobile devices ... VC cash or otherwise.

That is my exact point, perhaps we agree? If Magic Leap had a cash cow business, they could be relentless about their vision (heh) for VR, whether it takes five years, ten, or even twenty(!) to realize.

>That is my exact point, perhaps we agree?

Ah. Then yes!

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VR headsets have been sold out for months, now. I got an Oculus Quest, but only got one because I refreshed the product page (on multiple vendors) constantly for days. I think VR is starting the mainstream (at least for gaming), and Coronavirus is encouraging this (as it’s making virtually all gaming platforms a boost).

no, not really. You can't get over the motion sickness thing for many people. And VR games will always need to mitigate that, which means they are going to be limited in significant ways compared to normal games.

This is a misconception borne of ignorance of the current state of VR tech.

Your statement was true for early VR seated games that used smooth locomotion or flight-sim-like games.

Roomscale VR games don't have motion sickness because of different locomotion methods (teleport, for instance... or they take place entirely within the room volume you have available). In fact, less motion sickness than you'd experience with a large monitor and something like a dynamic flight-based combat game. Unlike a monitor, your in-game view motion is mapped perfectly to physical head motion.

I've tried out about a dozen games, and the only time I had motion sickness at all was when I changed locomotion method from teleport to smooth in Rec Room.

Re: Magic Leap reportedly slashes jobs and steps away from consumer plans

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They're exploring a sale valued at $10B, but it's doubtful who would have the appetite to buy it at this valuation. Google declined a follow on round recently, Apple has been developing their own tech for years, and Facebook has quietly stepped away from AR/VR. Magic Leap is reminiscent of another company with "Magic" in its name: General Magic ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Magic ). They both made a product…

Oculus was sold for $2B in 2014. Adjusting for S&P, I think it would have been sold for $4B today. MagicLeap has much more difficult and stronger tech so $10B seems reasonable. On back of the napkin, I would estimate ~500 people working for 4-5 years to build something like MagicLeap. So if a company wants to do this, they should be prepared to foot the bill of approximately $1B and wait for that many years. The prob…

It’s absolutely crazy to say ML has better tech. They have more experimental technology that proves to be nothing more than a cheap gimmick, based on descriptions of everyone who managed to test it for an extensive period of time.

Rony Abovitz is closer to Adam Neumann than Steve Jobs.

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> It's as good as anything else on the market. I've owned and extensively tested nearly every AR device that's been on the market in the last 10 years. I can conclusively say: the Magic Leap is garbage for anything more than short-term entertainment. Between the extremely dim visuals, the horrible rainbow effects on every bit of text you display, and the awful resolution, it's not just bad for anything other than gam…

Have any of them stood out to you? Is there anything you'd consider a reasonable consumer device right now?

Not GP, but the Oculus Quest is an excellent consumer device in my opinion. That is, if you can find it in stock.

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> It's as good as anything else on the market. I've owned and extensively tested nearly every AR device that's been on the market in the last 10 years. I can conclusively say: the Magic Leap is garbage for anything more than short-term entertainment. Between the extremely dim visuals, the horrible rainbow effects on every bit of text you display, and the awful resolution, it's not just bad for anything other than gam…

So question : if MLeap had delivered on the whole light field display concept close enough to the original prototype; but the hmd was a motorcycle helmet, then how would you feal about it?

I would have absolutely loved it! I'm not opposed to something that looks silly or cumbersome, as long as it delivers on the functionality and is comfortable to wear.

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> It's as good as anything else on the market. I've owned and extensively tested nearly every AR device that's been on the market in the last 10 years. I can conclusively say: the Magic Leap is garbage for anything more than short-term entertainment. Between the extremely dim visuals, the horrible rainbow effects on every bit of text you display, and the awful resolution, it's not just bad for anything other than gam…

Have any of them stood out to you? Is there anything you'd consider a reasonable consumer device right now?

The Hololens is still the best I've tested, but admittedly haven't tested the Hololens 2 yet. None are reasonable consumer devices, though; between the terrible FOV and the lack of useful software, none justify their price tags yet.

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While I agree with your point, did anyone except the inventor and the marketing team think Segway was going to revolutionize anything? I seem to remember all the revolution talk coming from Segway people before they had even unveiled the thing. It was just a big hyped secret that would "revolutionize" the world. I remember being extremely underwhelmed when they unveiled it. It seemed like one of those things that had…

Many people did think it was revolutionary. "Venture capitalist John Doerr predicted it would reach $1 billion in sales faster than any company in history, and that it could be bigger than the Internet." https://www.wired.com/2015/01/well-didnt-work-segway-technol... And it wasn't totally insane, for the same basic reasons people think scooters, etc, could revolutionize cities.

People who think scooters are going to revolutionize cities are equally insane. Reason being, scooters are ubiquitously available at a reasonable price point and have been for a long time.

The fact that you can rent one by the minute is going to make marginal differences to most people. If people wanted to use electric scooters to get around the city, everyone would own one already.

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You can disinfect your electronics with rubbing alcohol and/or removable covers, but don't put Lysol or other harsh cleaning agents on them

> Don't put lysol [on electronics] Why shouldn't I? The exterior surfaces of "electronics" are just glass, plastic or aluminum and lysol seems to work fine on all three. It's sold in plastic bottles so it's not like it'd create nerve gas or something. Not that I generally take marketing claims seriously, but lysol advertises itself as appropriate for use on electronics: https://www.lysol.com/cold-flu/home/how-to-clea…

Lysol can destroy delicate coatings, so your screen won't be as anti-reflective, or your device's innards might be less waterproof, etc

Some cleaners can mess up the texture of rubber parts too

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