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How long until Amazon's warehouses are 100% fully robotic? Or 99% fully robotic? (With a small team of managers to check in on the robots)

I'm curious what the percentage is right now.

I don't understand what this question means. Clearly none of the current employees' jobs have been automated, since otherwise the job wouldn't exist.

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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Deaths is not a metric that can determine which stage of this pandemic we are in. Immunity is the figure you're looking for, which will not increase under a shelter-in-place order. Deaths are down, but will immediately shoot back up if the shelter-in-place is lifted. The only goal posts you should care about are herd immunity or vaccination. Nothing else matters when discussing how much longer this pandemic will last…

There is no evidence that getting infected with covid19 gives anyone immunity. There are already documented cases of People have been infected twice. Herd immunity would be nice - but so far none of the known coronavirus infections grant immunity. Herd immunity cries will only kill innocent people. Herd immunity is more a myth than a fact right now.

People not getting COVID-19 immunity after recovery seems an extraordinary claim that would require very strong evidence for me to take seriously.

How do you believe people recover from COVID-19?

The fact that you recover from it at all, and generate measurable antibodies in the process, and that humans generally gain some level of immunity to all the other coronaviruses we're plagued by weights my belief strongly towards at least short term immunity being very likely.

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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>The United States hasn't even passed the first stage of Corona yet (in SF, daily number of deaths is still rising). It is too early to mandate come backs. Considering multiple states are larger than many European countries, I don't think it's appropriate to treat the US as a monolithic entity with respect to virus containment. Even if all of the states reacted identically, time and space dictate that different regio…

I mean, I'm really not comparing anything to the EU or European countries? It's simply a fact. Total death counts in the US are still going up. Once the quarantine is relaxed and things "open up", we WILL go through a second wave. That is by design of shelter in place. Why the defensiveness on part of the US? With or without the above, it's response has been terrible. Why defend bad practices?

What do you expect one state is supposed to do if another is bringing the numbers up due to their autonomous choices? It's just not useful to consider the US as a single entity in matters where states maintain control over most relevant measures. No one is denying the numbers, but it seems rather strange to lump (with respect to the matter) largely independent entities together. If you're trying to make a point, then make that point directly where it applies.

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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Have you quit your job to collect these allegedly easy to obtain checks? Or is this character flaw exclusive to warehouse workers?

Obviously you wouldn't quit your job if it pays a lot higher than the new unemployment payouts, and/or if you can easily work from home...and nobody but you is claiming that it's a character flaw to choose not to risk your life working if you have the safety net to avoid doing so. This is a really bizarre, immature reaction to a discussion of the incentives trade-off at play here.

I'm not addressing the extremely wise decision that a government make it financially possible for people not to spread disease. Nor disputing that the vast majority of people are willing to do this under these extreme circumstance.

I'm addressing the assumption, wrapped in theories about incentives, that everyone (strangely except any persons expounding the theory) is eager to quit work for "welfare" at the first opportunity. And, by extension, that this is why there must never be a social safety net that can keep anyone alive. Because, according to this demonstrably false theory, society would collapse.

People do not quit their jobs to receive handouts exactly because of their principles and because they are not the cynical robots that theoreticians make them out to be. Corporations may maximize wealth regardless of harm to society or others but the vast majority of natural persons don't.

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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This seems reasonable and beyond what other major employers are offering, but as is the fashion I'm sure Amazon will be convicted in the court of public interwebs shortly...

Disagree. Amazon is doing pretty well due to the quarantine (as they deserve to given the services they provide). Them having to reduce their share of the profits from these extraordinary times is not particularly noble, but rather just average. The United States hasn't even passed the first stage of Corona yet (in SF, daily number of deaths is still rising). It is too early to mandate come backs. Here in SF, multipl…

> (in SF, daily number of deaths is still rising)

Huh? It's more or less flat. https://covid-19.direct/county/CA/San%20Francisco?tab=peakde...

In fact probably better than flat - 2 deaths in last 7 days is lower than any 7 day period in April.

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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"Low skill" usually means that anyone posting here would wash out in a day or two.

You mean they would quit because they can afford to. In a better world no one would have to do the shitty jobs.

In your mind what has happened to those "shitty jobs"?

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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> The United States hasn't even passed the first stage of Corona yet (in SF, daily number of deaths is still rising). It is too early to mandate come backs. That isn't true according to the numbers from https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en . Do you have a citation for that? Numbers for new deaths have been hovering between 0 and 5 for the last month in SF, SF has had a total of 22 people dead, due to successful lo…

> SF has had a total of 22 people dead, due to successful lockdown measures it basically never hit SF. That appears to be false. SF has had corona since Dec. and a large percentage of the population were exposed months ago. Lockdown at this point is just theater.

Cite your sources or stop spreading obvious lies.

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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Not having enough money to survive isn't a made up thing. However you want to define it, people need to make ends meet including right now.

> Not having enough money to survive isn't a made up thing. No one has suggested that anything here is a 'made up thing', are you creating strawmen? > However you want to define it, people need to make ends meet including right now. I'm interested in understanding what the GP's point was. I don't get to definitely choose arbitrary definitions and interpretations for them. The dictionary and accepted usage offers a ra…

Apologies.. your comment sure read a lot like 'if starve really means eat less, maybe they should just suck it up and eat less.' I though it was obvious that GP's usage of the word 'starve' wasn't to be taken literally.

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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honestly the low skill jobs are more important and needed

"Low skill" usually means that anyone posting here would wash out in a day or two.

No, "low skill" means that a worker who has never done the job before can be quickly brought up to speed on how to do it, and that there won't be much of a productivity gradient between a new worker and one who has maxed out.

Many such jobs are incredibly hard work, and many are far more essential to the function of our society than anything I do for a living.

I get that calling this "low skill" comes across as derogatory, I'm just not sure what to do about that. Invent a euphemism?

Re: Amazon asks workers sheltering at home to return or request leave

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There's a big population of people who just start from the premise that Amazon must be doing something wrong and search for facts to justify it. I lost my ability to assume good faith when people complained they should pay $15 an hour, they started paying $15 an hour, and then the controversy immediately restarted about how greedy they are to not pay more.

I'm right there with you... I don't like Trump, even if I agree on a lot of policy actions/choices, but the guy can't have a good day with a lot of people. So many are outright lying to push an agenda over truth, and you can't really rely on anyone to be informed anymore. Right now, I'm much more concerned that we're on the brink of war with China and Iran... partly because China sees us as weakened over COVID, I'm n…

It's always interesting seeing a comment go up as high as a three and as low as -1, back and forth.

Oh no! He said something not negative about Trump... downvote now!

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