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Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Throw your nVidia card in the bin and be free. After many years with nVidia I removed the card and I've been happily using Intel hardware for a year now.

Throw your Linux OS in the bin and be free. After many years with Linux I removed it and I've been happily using Apple/Windows hardware for a year now. /s

The commenter is lamenting the fact that he can't run Ubuntu. I, on the other hand, am perfectly happy with what I have.

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Was anyone able to run 18.04 or 20.04 successfully on a relatively modern desktop spec (AMD Ryzen 9 3950X / Nvidia 2080 TI / 32GB RAM / Custom water cooling) and two displays? I'm thinking of upgrading my development machine and running ubuntu only and I'm looking for some hints as to what could go wrong.

Personally I won't upgrade until NVIDIA releases their next CUDA version officially for 20.04. Past experience leads me to believe that otherwise I can run into a few unpleasant surprises.

A couple of weeks ago I installed Ubuntu 18.04, it took hours to get it working fine.

I had to install the properitary NVidia drivers but it kept locking the entire machine, sometimes 30 seconds after booting, sometimes a few minutes. Took hours of restarting and trying to get the drivers installed before it would hang to get it stable.

Since getting them installed it's been solid.

I'd now like to upgrade to 20.04, but not if I need to go through the whole ordeal of racing to get drivers updated before the system crashes.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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The best news from an Ubuntu release is that a new Pop_OS! Release is available. Can't wait for the final release tonight!

It's the best Ubuntu-based distro for desktop use!

how well does workspaces work? are they at all close to workspaces on mac?

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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I hate snap. It makes my system less predictable, increases load times, makes UI stuff look ugly, obfuscates process monitoring, hogs memory, cannot deal with files in /tmp (and I happen to use /tmp a lot), makes if hard to do audio (like connecting a mic to Chromium)... I can go on. But in 2019 versions of buntu it could still be removed: https://github.com/cies/kubuntu-setup#remove-snap I found a way to use Debian…

Out of curiosity, do you feel the same way about Flatpak?

Have not tried that. Maybe I should, but im on Debian-style distros for so long (and use 'm on servers and such) that I dont really want to learn the basics again.

Also, from my RPM days I remember essential (pgk mgmt) tools changing way too often for my taste. Also I'm a KDE/Qt kinda person, and the RPM ecosystem was mostly GTK based.

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> The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. It looks like deb files only can be installed via the terminal. My main concern with Snap is security. Using the default Ubuntu Apt repositories, I can `apt install` pretty much anything I want and it's almost guaranteed to not be malicious/dangerous, as only trusted/well-established developers can get their package into the Apt repos. However, with Snap, everybody in…

This could be fixed by separating the store into an "official" repo that only includes trusted apps and an opt-in "community" repo with the rest. It's not really an issue with snap itself.

It kinda is. Canonical explictly doesn't want to do that. The cli doesn't support any other server except canonical's.[1]

Flatpack on the other hand, does support that structure out of the box, and a few projects are already using there own repos.[2]

[1] https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/external-repositories/176 [2] https://docs.flatpak.org/en/latest/repositories.html

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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I'm on Fedora where the equivalent is called Flathub/Flatpaks. There are definitely some rough edges still, but the possible upsides are amazing for me. It makes it way easier for a developer to release for different Linux-flavors. The applications get sandboxed and there is much less risk to mess up your system. Stuff like permission, similar to Android/iOS becomes possible. There for sure is problems to: it makes i…

> The applications get sandboxed and there is much less risk to mess up your system. Apparently snaps are also sandboxed between versions of the same application. My very first experience of snaps was Vuze getting updated overnight and all my configuration and torrents just vanising. I ended up rolling back the version (to restore everything that disappeared) and, upon discovering snaps are designed to never be able…

Google says that snap app configuration should be copied forward to new versions. Sounds like either a Vuze bug or a snap package bug.

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Ubuntu had the calculator as a snap! What's the idea with that? It suddenly took 2 secs to load and uses load of memory... I dont care packaging got easier. I care for a smooth working system I can understand and instrument, and that does not hog resources.

Snap and flatpak are great fallback methods. I first try installing software natively, but sometimes it's not available/compatible and you really need it to work, so flatpak is great to just get it running at all. I'm not a fan of using it as the default though, and flatpak isn't immune to issues either, for example I use a flatpak package which regularly can't be updated for months because of some incorrect metadata…

They may be fallback methods, but snap is for sure not "great" (not a finished product as other have pointed out). As you also understood, snap is sadly not promoted as a fallback method.

This stuff is pushed with corporate power. Not adopted because great great fallback method it provides.

The compatibility is also balkanized for the start with the flatpack/snap split. Pfff, what a mess.

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Most reviews are very positive. Faster, better, Amazon removed, maybe the best Ubuntu release until now. The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. It looks like deb files only can be installed via the terminal. Ubuntu is also researching if they can get Adobe on board. I doubt this would ever happen, but that would be huge. Most people stick on Windows and MacOS because Adobe software is not available on Linux.…

> The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. It looks like deb files only can be installed via the terminal. My main concern with Snap is security. Using the default Ubuntu Apt repositories, I can `apt install` pretty much anything I want and it's almost guaranteed to not be malicious/dangerous, as only trusted/well-established developers can get their package into the Apt repos. However, with Snap, everybody in…

I can `apt install` pretty much anything I want and it's almost guaranteed to not be malicious/dangerous, as only trusted/well-established developers can get their package into the Apt repos.

Maybe not malicious, but packages in the universe repos only have 'community maintenance', meaning that they are not updated with security fixes in any systematic manner. Given that you need universe to have a somewhat useful system, most people's systems are full of known holes:

https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/universe.h...

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Does that distro use flatpacks? I also hate snap with a passion, but I dont think flatpack will be better, what are your thoughts on this?

No, fedora Mate has no flatpaks by default. I do use them on my machine though. They are not as integrated to the system as snaps on Ubuntu but they update only when I tell them to and I like the additional security benefits of the flatpak project overall.

I think security wise it got worse. With traditional package repos someone still does some due diligence. Also it's not clear what's going on, and that is a huge prerequisite for security.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Most reviews are very positive. Faster, better, Amazon removed, maybe the best Ubuntu release until now. The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. It looks like deb files only can be installed via the terminal. Ubuntu is also researching if they can get Adobe on board. I doubt this would ever happen, but that would be huge. Most people stick on Windows and MacOS because Adobe software is not available on Linux.…

> The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. It looks like deb files only can be installed via the terminal. My main concern with Snap is security. Using the default Ubuntu Apt repositories, I can `apt install` pretty much anything I want and it's almost guaranteed to not be malicious/dangerous, as only trusted/well-established developers can get their package into the Apt repos. However, with Snap, everybody in…

The amount of cases for malicious snaps was about 1 with the cryptominer that was addressed within 3 days. Those snaps that are published go through static analysis and unless manually vetted will not have access to the rest of your system. You install it, at worst it will cryptomine that is it. Oh and you can remove it completely with all traces unlike deb equivalents.

Snaps come with a tick against verified snaps coming from first party. Such as those from Jetbrains, Mozilla, Microsoft, Amazon, Spotify etc..

If you are downloading from a software center this would all be handled for you and typo squatting will not be a problem.

In contrast with debs, the person who owns the PPA for those third party packages do have unfetted, root access to the system. The most popular PPA to this day is a closed down Java PPA run by 3rd party dev. That could easily turn malicious easily.

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