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Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by anthony_barker »

coinerone wrote: post #39
thdrdt wrote: post #2

Most reviews are very positive. Faster, better, Amazon removed, maybe the best Ubuntu release until now. The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. It looks like deb files only can be installed via the terminal. Ubuntu is also researching if they can get Adobe on board. I doubt this would ever happen, but that would be huge. Most people stick on Windows and MacOS because Adobe software is not available on Linux.…

The only thing that holds back my Employer to switch to Linux for 6500+ Desktops is Microsoft Office and full MS Exchange compatibility. The Collegues who need Adobe Products just have to work with Apple Machines anyway.

office 360 seems to work ok.

The bank I used to work for moved to cloud exchange already.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by turbinerneiter »

Jean-Philipe wrote: post #31
thdrdt wrote: post #2

Most reviews are very positive. Faster, better, Amazon removed, maybe the best Ubuntu release until now. The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. It looks like deb files only can be installed via the terminal. Ubuntu is also researching if they can get Adobe on board. I doubt this would ever happen, but that would be huge. Most people stick on Windows and MacOS because Adobe software is not available on Linux.…

> The only 'con' is the pushing of Snap packages. I don't get why they're doing that. Snaps have mostly created problems for me, like they don't scale when other apps do, or the styling is off, or they don't show up properly in the software manager. The snap daemon on one of my laptops always blocks the shutdown by 30 seconds. Generally a rather confusing experience.

I'm on Fedora where the equivalent is called Flathub/Flatpaks. There are definitely some rough edges still, but the possible upsides are amazing for me.

It makes it way easier for a developer to release for different Linux-flavors. The applications get sandboxed and there is much less risk to mess up your system. Stuff like permission, similar to Android/iOS becomes possible.

There for sure is problems to: it makes it way easier for a lazy developer to ship ancient libraries without security fixes, the "packages", now images, are much larger and the quality check of the packager gets sidestepped. And, as always when you try something new, it gets worse before it gets better.

But I think the idea is good and I hope for the best.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by capableweb »

jakear wrote: post #58
capableweb wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yeah, used to be at least two more ways. Not sure which one of these are not possible but anymore, but you used to be able to do: 1) Synaptic package manager which is a GUI for searching and installing .debs. My first exposure to a package manager when I first installed Ubuntu some 12 years ago. 2) Simply double-clicking on the file, opening the Gdebi (I think?) UI for installing that specific .deb file.

In my experience, simply double clicking on the file never actually worked for installing debs. The UI would pop up, give me a nice pleasant "Install" button, but clicking it would either no-op, crash the UI, show a progress bar that stalled out, or act like everything worked perfectly but not actually install it. Command line install works flawlessly every time.

Judging by your other comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22954061) you were using Software Center for the installing. Gdebi was working fine back before Software Center.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by readwind »

sparkling wrote: post #50
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just switch to LibreOffice. The dependency on .docx/.xlsx is an overblown propaganda. I personally had a business in 2007..2011 that replaced windows for Linux. All that time I heard that same old song again: "But but MS Office is so essential!". Turned out, not so much, on over 5000 PCs in several dozen companies. Update: business eventually failed, for one simple reason - Ubuntu Linux is too freaking stable. The id…

Ignoring format issues, LibreOffice just feels extremly slugish for me. I get little freezes all the time, the UI is laggy and startup time is pretty bad too. I came to dislike it so much that i prefer to edit things in Google Docs over LibreOffice .

I haven't tried it but some people say 'OnlyOffice' is a better branch than libreoffice, it seems to support MS-Office standards better, but, as I said I've never tried it. Only trouble these people had was with certain fonts, but I guess the remedy would be to choose embed all fonts upon saving and sharing, if that helps, then perhaps OnlyOffice, desktop version, is an option, for some. I plan to try it, although I use my old office-versions, in a vm, for now.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by clappski »

I use Ubuntu via WSL2 when WFH (i.e. always, at the moment). I've ran into lots of issues trying to use snaps (e.g. for ccls) in WSL, because of the lack of systemd as PID 1.

Does anyone know a robust way to get snapd running properly in WSL2? I would prefer to use whatever package there is than compiling everything that isn't packaged as .deb myself. In the case of ccls it's particularly annoying because I had to install the whole clang toolchain just to build it (which isn't typically on my dev machines, because the work I do is GCC-based).

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by tlamponi »

doublesCs wrote: post #32

For a long time I've been using Lubuntu on my laptop. However, a couple of years ago they changed focus and From wikipedia: Lubuntu was originally touted as being "lighter, less resource hungry and more energy-efficient", but now aims to be "a functional yet modular distribution focused on getting out of the way and letting users use their computer" I stopped updating my OS since (I'm on 14). Does anyone care to sugg…

> Does anyone care to suggest an ubuntu-like distribution for someone like me who wants their OS light?

What about Debian? You staying on 14.04 for so long surely means that the slightly slower moving Debian stable is not an issue for you. It supports lots of window managers. I'm using i3 with a simple xinitrc here, but also XFCE or LXDE are available.

You can install it very very lightweight and as Ubuntu bases of Debian it should be similar enough.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by pantalaimon »

LeonM wrote: post #22

Looking through the features Gnome 3.36 - X11 fractional scaling. I got all excited, because this means that now finally Ubuntu will be usable on my Lenovo X1E with High-DPI display. But then further down below: Fractional scaling does not work with the NVIDIA proprietary driver (bug 1870736, bug 1873403). OK, nevermind, back to Windows with WSL...

Does the Nvidia chip drive the display directly? I think you also have an Intel GPU that drives the display, the Nvidia GPU will only be used to offload rendering.

I don't know how it is implemented, but from my understanding, as long as the Intel chiip does the scaling you should be fine.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa)

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Post by innocenat »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #48
coinerone wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing that holds back my Employer to switch to Linux for 6500+ Desktops is Microsoft Office and full MS Exchange compatibility. The Collegues who need Adobe Products just have to work with Apple Machines anyway.

Just switch to LibreOffice. The dependency on .docx/.xlsx is an overblown propaganda. I personally had a business in 2007..2011 that replaced windows for Linux. All that time I heard that same old song again: "But but MS Office is so essential!". Turned out, not so much, on over 5000 PCs in several dozen companies. Update: business eventually failed, for one simple reason - Ubuntu Linux is too freaking stable. The id…

In addition to sibling comments about UI, if you work with Asian/Complex Script Language, Libre/OpenOffice is terrible choice.

I use WPS Office (not open source) on Ubuntu mainly because it supports Asian/Complex script much, much better (as in, almost identical to MS Office).

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