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Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by grey-area »

labster wrote: post #13

I don't really see his attempts to use the new gestures on the old-design iPhone as proof that the new UI is better. People still tell me to "tape" long after it was obvious that DVRs are better. It's simply muscle memory. Still not sure that this my next phone though, probably going to stick with the old school SE. I had asked work for an upgrade, got the giant XR, and after five days put it right back in the box an…

It's cool that Apple made a cheap phone, but what I actually wanted was a small phone and price wasn't that relevant.

What most of the world wants is a quality cheap phone, and size isn't that relevant.

This is especially true as the world enters a global recession.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by why_only_15 »

saagarjha wrote: post #78
p1necone wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how comparable Geekbench actually is across different CPU architectures and operating systems though? Linus Torvalds is quoted here: https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=185109&curpost... as saying that Geekbench 4.0 shouldn't be treated as a valid comparison between desktops/laptops and phones. (However this review used Geekbench 5.0 - not sure what differences there are).

Most things on iOS tend to be dynamically linked these days.

Yeah, "statically linked" is a bizarre thing to say about iOS. I believe the only statically linked code on iOS is dyld itself. It's not possible to make a statically linked app on iOS, and certainly all the number crunching routines (and compression etc.) are dynamically linked. Maybe geekbench doesn't link them and does it in-process? But you would see the same effect on PCs then.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#133

Post by antigirl »

m12k wrote: post #126

Compared to my first gen SE, I'd like the faster processor, better camera and better battery life. But I'm not sure I'm willing to go up in size and weight, and get the rounded edges that make it even harder to grip one-handed. For me, a bigger screen isn't a plus - after years of following the trend and being on my phone more and more, I managed to kick the habit and I'm very happy that my phone has now found its ri…

This is a fair point but everything is online and at our finger tips. Having it on your phone just means you’re not sitting at your computer for longer hours, hurting your back, neck and even fingers.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#134

Post by function_seven »

microtonal wrote: post #115
saagarjha wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trackpads actually have an “infinite” number of clicks. Try it on the seeking buttons in QuickTime or IINA.

Also a nice feature, which unfortunately not a lot of applications use, is the haptic feedback. E.g. when you drag an object in OmniGraffle, you will feel very subtle feedback in the trackpad when two objects align.

Almost 20 years ago I had a cool Logitech mouse that did this. The mouse had a haptic (Synaptics, I think?) engine in it, and when you moved the cursor over buttons, menus, or other UI elements, it would give a slight “tick” as you crossed each boundary. It was very cool. There was a lot of customization available for it as well.

I had to ditch that mouse when I switched to Linux. I think it didn’t have any standard HID-type driver or something.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#135

Post by [deleted] »

ip26 wrote: post #31
Thorentis wrote: post #6

Those benchmarks are impressive. iPhone SE beating the 2019 MBP in single core performance? That's fantastic! I wish I could comment on or know what he was talking about with the iPhone X vs "old iPhone" interaction paradigm. I personally thought the "single button" hardware interface was an incredible innovation that changed everything. Even Android relies on it. My Galaxy S9+ has a "software home button" (like most…

Something has got to be screwy. The iPhone has a TDP of 6W and a clock speed of 2.5GHz. The MBP has boost clocks of 5GHz and a 45W TDP.

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Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#136

Post by Thorentis »

noncoml wrote: post #7
Thorentis wrote: post #6

Those benchmarks are impressive. iPhone SE beating the 2019 MBP in single core performance? That's fantastic! I wish I could comment on or know what he was talking about with the iPhone X vs "old iPhone" interaction paradigm. I personally thought the "single button" hardware interface was an incredible innovation that changed everything. Even Android relies on it. My Galaxy S9+ has a "software home button" (like most…

Fun fact: iPhone's buttons are not mechanical buttons starting with iPhone 7. The click you feel when you press it is just the taptic engine. If you have an iPhone 7 or 8, try turning it off and try to press the button.

Yeah when I got my 2015 MBP that track pad was mind blowing. I remember turning it on and off and comparing the feeling of trying to click it. It's an incredible innovation. Small, but amazing from an engineering/UX perspective.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#137

Post by millstone »

labster wrote: post #13

I don't really see his attempts to use the new gestures on the old-design iPhone as proof that the new UI is better. People still tell me to "tape" long after it was obvious that DVRs are better. It's simply muscle memory. Still not sure that this my next phone though, probably going to stick with the old school SE. I had asked work for an upgrade, got the giant XR, and after five days put it right back in the box an…

> It's cool that Apple made a cheap phone, but what I actually wanted was a small phone and price wasn't that relevant

Smaller phones have smaller batteries, and less space for components like cameras, etc. So they look worse on paper, because on paper you can't feel how big it is. Thinness has been fetishized. Please make overall smallness or "hand feel" a top selling point!

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by mtarnovan »

> So, yes, a $400 iPhone SE bests a $3,000 top-of-the-line MacBook Pro in single-core CPU performance.

Lies, damn lies and benchmarks? I don't believe that for a second.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by markosaric »

antigirl wrote: post #133
m12k wrote: post #126

Compared to my first gen SE, I'd like the faster processor, better camera and better battery life. But I'm not sure I'm willing to go up in size and weight, and get the rounded edges that make it even harder to grip one-handed. For me, a bigger screen isn't a plus - after years of following the trend and being on my phone more and more, I managed to kick the habit and I'm very happy that my phone has now found its ri…

This is a fair point but everything is online and at our finger tips. Having it on your phone just means you’re not sitting at your computer for longer hours, hurting your back, neck and even fingers.

Aren't there some of the same "wellbeing" issues with the prolonged or ergonomically wrong use of a mobile phone too? Neck, fingers, eyes?

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by nunodonato »

antigirl wrote: post #133
m12k wrote: post #126

Compared to my first gen SE, I'd like the faster processor, better camera and better battery life. But I'm not sure I'm willing to go up in size and weight, and get the rounded edges that make it even harder to grip one-handed. For me, a bigger screen isn't a plus - after years of following the trend and being on my phone more and more, I managed to kick the habit and I'm very happy that my phone has now found its ri…

This is a fair point but everything is online and at our finger tips. Having it on your phone just means you’re not sitting at your computer for longer hours, hurting your back, neck and even fingers.

Lots of people having fingers and neck pain due to phone usage. I see lots of bad posture as well
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