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Low incidence of daily active tobacco smoking in patients with symptomatic C19

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Re: Low incidence of daily active tobacco smoking in patients with symptomatic C19

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Post by catalogia »

013a wrote: post #25
catalogia wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would orally ingested nicotine protect lungs the same way that inhaled nicotine does?

Its far to premature to even conclude that inhaled nicotine protects the lungs. This is just one study. Don't do anything stupid, like go develop a nicotine addiction, just because of one headline.

Obviously I would never think of suggesting that people start smoking tobacco. My comment was meant to discourage people from leaping to conclusions and getting addicted to nicotine lozenges when, as far as I know, there is little that suggests they'd be beneficial.

Re: Low incidence of daily active tobacco smoking in patients with symptomatic C19

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Post by stareatgoats »

LatteLazy wrote: post #44
ebg13 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"...and therefore they have a strong undeclared interest in making it look like smoking inversely correlates with infection." Citation needed.

Did you reply to the wrong comment? I only know they're making number up, that's well documented... Citation for the fairness of Chinese numbers: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/04/01/china-coronavirus-offic... Also: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/17/china-denies-c...

Interesting support for your claims. Not saying they are wrong, but a classified US intelligence report doesn't really carry much weight either (link 1).

Link 2 is about the latest revision of the death toll in Wuhan. Now, you must think the current US death toll is totally accurate. Will you claim that the US makes things up when those figures are revised (which they will be) too?

Re: Low incidence of daily active tobacco smoking in patients with symptomatic C19

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Post by 013a »

justizin wrote: post #20
snikeris wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it interesting that smoking itself isn't a pre-existing condition that makes you more likely to be hospitalized if you get Covid-19.

engaging in a risk factor is not a condition.

Is obesity a condition? How about "engaging in overeating"?

Re: Low incidence of daily active tobacco smoking in patients with symptomatic C19

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Post by cskinner »

snikeris wrote: post #4

Interesting, they hypothesize that nicotine is responsible: > There are however, sufficient scientific data to suggest that smoking protection is likely to be mediated by nicotine. SARS-CoV2 is known to use the angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) receptor for cell entry[14-16], and there is evidence that nicotine modulates ACE2 expression[17]which could in turn modulate the nicotinic acetyl choline receptor (manus…

Nicotine (smoking) has been known to act as an immunomodulator and can act as a preventative for gastrointestinal inflammatory disease such as ulcerative colitis. This could be attenuating the inflammatory response and reducing symptoms for COVID-19 patients.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/516104_4

Re: Low incidence of daily active tobacco smoking in patients with symptomatic C19

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Post by rapjr9 »

cskinner wrote: post #54
snikeris wrote: post #4

Interesting, they hypothesize that nicotine is responsible: > There are however, sufficient scientific data to suggest that smoking protection is likely to be mediated by nicotine. SARS-CoV2 is known to use the angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) receptor for cell entry[14-16], and there is evidence that nicotine modulates ACE2 expression[17]which could in turn modulate the nicotinic acetyl choline receptor (manus…

Nicotine (smoking) has been known to act as an immunomodulator and can act as a preventative for gastrointestinal inflammatory disease such as ulcerative colitis. This could be attenuating the inflammatory response and reducing symptoms for COVID-19 patients. https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/516104_4

The additives in cigarettes have been shown to dilate lung airways, suppress coughing, and disguise symptoms of illness:

https://www.verywellmind.com/cigarette-additives-2824737

Perhaps the additives are keeping COVID-19 patients alive by supporting breathing in difficult circumstances? There are hundreds of additives so figuring out if any of them help would be difficult:

https://ec.europa.eu/health/scientific_committees/emerging/d...

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