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Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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Re: Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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> Downvotes away ignoranti! Not a mod, but that’s against the HN guidelines and is likely to keep your comment grayed out. I thought the rest of your comment was interesting, FWIW.

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Ok, that's enough now. Since you clearly don't want to use HN as intended, I've banned this account.

Re: Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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speaking from personal experience, the math I learned up to grade 4 in the Soviet Union was enough to glide through all of American high school math. And I wasn't in any way an advanced math student in the USSR. And I dont seem to recall any extensive, South Korean style homework.

Re: Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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Personally, I gravitate towards grayed-out comments. I think that they tend to be likely to be on one or another extreme side of the intellectual bell curve. Basically, they end up grayed out because either they are too dumb or too smart for the average Hacker News user. So if I manage to run an effective mental filter to discard grayed-out comments that are on the low side of the intellectual gray curve, then gravit…

Or the ones you most agree with, which for most people are approximately the same as the 'highest intellectual range' ones. But since this is how like to you read HN, you really should know about the 'showdead' option in your profile. See https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html .

Thanks for the tip about "showdead". I totally agree that there's a big danger, if one follows the strategy I described, of personal bias making one confuse "intelligent" with "what I want to be true" or with "what I enjoy because it is contrarian". However, I am aware of this danger and work to mitigate it in various ways. Also, I should mention that I don't think that grayed-out comments are 0.5 likely to be highly intelligent - I'd say it's more like about 0.1 or 0.2. Overall, I think that the benefit of prioritizing grayed-out comments, to me, has been worth it so far.

Re: Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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I can only assume but culture makes things very different. I often said that French abstract algebra books stopped me from learning for 10 years (after many serious attempts). One book from Garreth Williams unlocked 80% of my issues. The shocking part was the approach. It was very operational, you calculate, you manipulate concrete data. In French books it's all theorems and concepts. Learning curve to make a Haskell…

Thank's for the insight. I struggled with geography until I discovered history...again, after high school of course. I still struggle with algebra, so I look forward to checking your suggestions out. I think my problem as a kid was I was just hyper, all the time. I could cut wood outside for 10 hours but couldn't sit still for a moment.

Child labour is an untapped resource.

If it were somehow possible to let kids chop wood for 10hrs, as the need arose, or whatever, and then they could go / go back to school when they were ready.

Certainly would have helped me a lot.

Re: Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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Please stop posting ideological bait to HN.

Dan you continue to be a Nazi ideologue in the service of sociopaths. I have tried for years to help you but it's hopeless isn't it. You won't stop sucking their ass in the promotion of fascism. You horrible piece of evil. I wish you would get what you have created for yourself but there is no justice. The innocent will be oppressed by the elitist liars you support as a sycophant and justice will never prevail. It's…

I'm pretty sure it's not deng who needs the help here...

Re: Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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I can only assume but culture makes things very different. I often said that French abstract algebra books stopped me from learning for 10 years (after many serious attempts). One book from Garreth Williams unlocked 80% of my issues. The shocking part was the approach. It was very operational, you calculate, you manipulate concrete data. In French books it's all theorems and concepts. Learning curve to make a Haskell…

Thank's for the insight. I struggled with geography until I discovered history...again, after high school of course. I still struggle with algebra, so I look forward to checking your suggestions out. I think my problem as a kid was I was just hyper, all the time. I could cut wood outside for 10 hours but couldn't sit still for a moment.

> I struggled with geography until I discovered history

Tangentially, a lot of fantasy authors seem to love maps for their own sake, and provide maps of their world as illustrations. I never saw the point of these; the map never really matters to the story.

But history books provide almost the same number of maps -- usually one, before the discussion of whatever -- and it just isn't enough. Those maps really matter to understanding whatever was going on; in the real world, geography is a huge deal.

Re: Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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In a US college in the 80s, the math professors definitely seemed to be in awe of the Russians when it came to this stuff. And though I was in the US, early on I was in an utter hardware wasteland, and I do think that not having much hardware access improved my ability to just sit and think about things with pencil and paper.

Similarly, working on products with no debugger and a single LED for a UI meant that I had to reason very carefully about how the code I wrote worked. If I made a mistake there would be no feedback other than the behavior of the product.

Re: Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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Excerpt:

"At the risk of oversimplifying, I noticed that because of the traditional scarcity of equipment, Russian students and scientists had to

think

rather than experiment, whether with computers or accelerators; it was often all that was available to them."

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