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Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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Re: Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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Right. So there was a global consensus, promoted by certain folks, that adherence to academics was the secret to national success. And the Soviets bought in to that propaganda, to their detriment. They spent a fortune and produced the most well-educated and thoughtful population in human history. A couple of their satellite states even achieved genuine 100% literacy. Not 100% rounded but 100% exact. The campaign thus…

Please stop posting ideological bait to HN.

Re: Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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I can only assume but culture makes things very different. I often said that French abstract algebra books stopped me from learning for 10 years (after many serious attempts). One book from Garreth Williams unlocked 80% of my issues. The shocking part was the approach. It was very operational, you calculate, you manipulate concrete data. In French books it's all theorems and concepts. Learning curve to make a Haskeller faint. And that book is not the only instance, Gilbert Strang lectures on youtube are also similar in style. It also correlates with the pragmatic engineering of US history (electricity comes to mind).

Re: Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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Right. So there was a global consensus, promoted by certain folks, that adherence to academics was the secret to national success. And the Soviets bought in to that propaganda, to their detriment. They spent a fortune and produced the most well-educated and thoughtful population in human history. A couple of their satellite states even achieved genuine 100% literacy. Not 100% rounded but 100% exact. The campaign thus…

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Re: Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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My dad took the advanced courses for physics, math, organic chem in first year University of Toronto in 1970. I've seen his textbooks and they were on the same level of this. Much more advanced than what I saw in the 90s/00s. More focus on reasoning from first principles, less focus on easily approachable material.

Basically I'm saying that baby boomers had more advanced textbooks in their university period compared to what their kids got in the 90s/00s. But also less people went to university back then, it was more rigorously academic back then.

Re: Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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Right. So there was a global consensus, promoted by certain folks, that adherence to academics was the secret to national success. And the Soviets bought in to that propaganda, to their detriment. They spent a fortune and produced the most well-educated and thoughtful population in human history. A couple of their satellite states even achieved genuine 100% literacy. Not 100% rounded but 100% exact. The campaign thus…

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Re: Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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> Downvotes away ignoranti! Not a mod, but that’s against the HN guidelines and is likely to keep your comment grayed out. I thought the rest of your comment was interesting, FWIW.

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Re: Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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Soviet body builders only used free weights and a pull-up bar. You don’t need anything but that to get big muscles. Similarly, you don’t need anything except a chalk board to teach math and most other subjects.

But you do need a computer to teach programming (generally.) The US has generally been about efficiency, there isn't much need wasting time on paper with a problem when we can understand the concept and solve the problem with a computer. That's my opinion of course, as an American. So I'm biased. When I was taking advanced math classes, my first thought when presented a concept was "how can I solve this by writing a calculator program to do it for me." Maybe that isn't common, I don't know, but while it might not be what everyone does...I think that is the American thinking on learning things.

Re: Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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I can only assume but culture makes things very different. I often said that French abstract algebra books stopped me from learning for 10 years (after many serious attempts). One book from Garreth Williams unlocked 80% of my issues. The shocking part was the approach. It was very operational, you calculate, you manipulate concrete data. In French books it's all theorems and concepts. Learning curve to make a Haskell…

Thank's for the insight. I struggled with geography until I discovered history...again, after high school of course. I still struggle with algebra, so I look forward to checking your suggestions out. I think my problem as a kid was I was just hyper, all the time. I could cut wood outside for 10 hours but couldn't sit still for a moment.

Re: Why are Soviet math textbooks so hardcore in comparison to US textbooks? (2017)

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post #11

Right. So there was a global consensus, promoted by certain folks, that adherence to academics was the secret to national success. And the Soviets bought in to that propaganda, to their detriment. They spent a fortune and produced the most well-educated and thoughtful population in human history. A couple of their satellite states even achieved genuine 100% literacy. Not 100% rounded but 100% exact. The campaign thus…

Please stop posting ideological bait to HN.

Dan you continue to be a Nazi ideologue in the service of sociopaths. I have tried for years to help you but it's hopeless isn't it. You won't stop sucking their ass in the promotion of fascism. You horrible piece of evil.

I wish you would get what you have created for yourself but there is no justice. The innocent will be oppressed by the elitist liars you support as a sycophant and justice will never prevail. It's horrible. You could switch sides but they are tossing bones at you and you will sell out the good for a tiny token. It's horrible.

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