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How does the coronavirus kill?

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Re: How does the coronavirus kill?

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Only one thing is clear about our immune system: it's extremely complex and even after a century of prodding it, we still don't know it well enough to prod it in targeted ways and know what to expect. Especially, suppressing the immune system is always dicey, since its not just one variable you tune up or down. However, there _is_ a magic bullet of sorts out there, Intravenous immunoglobulin (IVIG). IVIG is just conc…

Isn't the original use of IGIV as a supportive therapy for people not producing antibodies (for whichever reason)? In the case of COVID-19, plasma therapy (which transfers antibodies from a survivor to an infected) is one of the more promising short term mitigations.

Today's news in Austria was also a successful treatment with antibodies out of survivors plasma. Graz.

Re: How does the coronavirus kill?

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please read this report by dr sherif sultan based on consultations with frontline doctors and postmortem examinations. it forms a coherent picture of symptoms and medication trials that we keep hearing about. https://www.facebook.com/ProfSherifSultan/posts/319343963736... Here is a treatment protocol that is being regularly kept up to date with latest information https://www.evms.edu/covid-19/medical_information_reso…

The updated protocol to change Ventilators to ECMO was distributed at April 11, yes.

Re: How does the coronavirus kill?

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Cameron Kyle-Sidell is a New York ICU doctor that has been trying to help figure out why treatments aren't working as expected. His videos are highly technical but interesting to watch. Kyle-Sidell believes it's a diffusion hypoxemia problem, leading to pulmonary edema (which is something you see in high-altitude sickness) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRlvX3VrAQ&feature=youtu.be https://twitter.com/cameronks/stat…

The hypothesis suggested in the science article sounds more plausible - these patients are truly oxygen deprived, but potentially because of the vascular Nature of the infection, the typical gasping response is not initiated

In case of intubated patients the reflex is irrelevant, no?

Re: How does the coronavirus kill?

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Latest theory is high correlation with air pollution. NOx and tiny dust particles. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004896972... This would explain the extraordinary high death rates in Lombardy, Spain, Styria, Wuhan,... compared to other regions with worse ICU situation and more seniors.

And esp. Belgium. The highest outlier without proper explanation so far.
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