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Post by FpUser »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #274
FpUser wrote: post #212

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If I am high risk person in a smallish group it should then be my choice to self-isolate or not as it will not affect the rest of the population

Should the government be obligated to offer you support for that choice? That would probably mean at minimum money to replace your work income, something like a new category of 'being high risk' a qualification for unemployment. Or should your choice be limited to self isolate and starve, or keep working?

What support? Said person will just have higher chances to die. Their choice. They're not inflicting death upon the others as accordingly to proposal there are no restrictions on younger carriers without symptoms.

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Post by mehrdadn »

otterley wrote: post #323
mehrdadn wrote: post #315

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> many states are suspending unlawful detainer and eviction actions until the crisis is over and people can get back to work So how does that work? Instead of right now, they'll get evicted and become homeless as soon as things open up, because they've been piling up rent with no income in the meantime? Would you find that comforting?

Why do you assume that would be the outcome? That is the cruelest, most pessimistic prediction that one could make. Come on, have a little faith in common sense and decency.

I'm not saying that will be for everyone, just that it is likely to be for many people, and those people may not be able to know if they're in that category until it's too late either. Obviously some landlords will be understanding and defer/waive payments long enough that people can repay, but my common sense says that, as cruel as it might be, what I described will also happen to a lot of people. I imagine in those cases they'll get served with a pay-your-rent-or-we'll-file-for-eviction notice as soon as that's legally possible. And unless some legal barrier is placed, I expect many landlords will evict as soon as they're able so that they can get their own income and pay their own bills.

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Post by FpUser »

feydaykyn wrote: post #268
FpUser wrote: post #210

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"people in Sweden live alone" you stating this as the cause of why Sweden is doing Ok-ish while not introducing drastic measures. All without any shred of proof.

You just have to search : • Sweden: number of households by type 2019 | Statista https://www.statista.com/statistics/526013/sweden-number-of-...

It is a household stats, has zero info on how it correlates to the actual covid stats.

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Post by Gibbon1 »

alyx wrote: post #196
czardoz wrote: post #186

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You're talking about this as if a "calculated risk" is limited to that individual, but it's not. Someone's "calculated risk" is literally death knell for others. In this case, the health of the society as a whole is at stake. Therefore, people need to collectively follow rules, and understand that minor inconveniences such as not being able to get a haircut will only affect them for a few weeks or months.

I don’t think you read his post. You are endangering others‘ lives each time you drive. And yet you’re not inline at the DMV surrendering your license, why? Seasonal sickness also isn’t new. My coworker gave me the flu and I gave it to my grandmother. Who’s at fault there?

People grossly endangered other peoples lives when they voted in November 2016.

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Post by camgunz »

nradov wrote: post #313
camgunz wrote: post #301

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I think it would be best if we avoided engaging in the despicable, ghoulish practice of valuing one life over another.

Why would that be best? Professional medical ethicists do it every day. For example when deciding which patients receive organ transplants.

I'm happy for those decisions to be made by educated, trained, licensed professionals according to strict guidelines and under the scrutiny of other similarly qualified people when small numbers of lives are at stake and where it has no chance of persuading anyone that it's alright to potentially let thousands and thousands of people die.

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Post by AgentME »

sneak wrote: post #309
markbnj wrote: post #305

I usually stay out of the political/topical threads on HN but this is personal to me. From my point of view few if any of us commenting here are knowledgeable enough to connect all the disparate data points we keep snatching at and synthesize them into conclusions that are likely to be correct. The people who can do that are working on it, and generally too busy at the moment to post on forums or give interviews. The…

> It's been a month. We can absolutely make it through a few months if we have to, while they do their work. You and I can. Many of my friends have missed a rent or car payment, and may soon miss another. Most people cannot work from home.

The modern economy is a human invention. We can patch it with things like stimulus payments and eviction holds instead of blindly following it off a cliff into a worse health crisis. Sure we don't have infinite control over it, but we still have a lot.

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Post by otterley »

mehrdadn wrote: post #332
otterley wrote: post #323

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Why do you assume that would be the outcome? That is the cruelest, most pessimistic prediction that one could make. Come on, have a little faith in common sense and decency.

I'm not saying that will be for everyone , just that it is likely to be for many people , and those people may not be able to know if they're in that category until it's too late either. Obviously some landlords will be understanding and defer/waive payments long enough that people can repay, but my common sense says that, as cruel as it might be, what I described will also happen to a lot of people. I imagine in tho…

That legal barrier already exists - and the proscription is very broad. Why do you think we’ll just rip the bandage off instead of gradually phasing rent and mortgage payments back in?

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Post by hartator »

camgunz wrote: post #319
legostormtroopr wrote: post #303

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Hyperbole much? People do take calculated risks with the lives of others - again driving is a dangerous activity, you take the lives of everyone in your car and those around you in your hands while driving. Even chefs are responsible for not giving people food poisoning. Because of our hyperconnected world, we depend on people taking risks around us constantly. Additionally, NYC had 500 deaths because its approaching…

Yeah, let me rephrase. COVID is the deadliest thing most people will ever have a chance of coming into contact with, you'll spread it to others before you even know you have it, thus it's almost certain you won't be the only one "taking the risk". It's not like driving, flying, takeaway, or any other inane, minimizing comparison. It is a highly infectious, stealthy, lethal pathogen. If we let everyone get it, at even…

That’s actually not true. We are talking 0.2-0.3% lethality which is still a lot but it will bellow 250k deaths even if we are back to full normal right now.

Current estimations are 60-70k deaths from it but the doubling of suicides resulting of lockdowns this year to 100k make us more likely to die from suicide than covid-19.

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Post by antpls »

markbnj wrote: post #305

I usually stay out of the political/topical threads on HN but this is personal to me. From my point of view few if any of us commenting here are knowledgeable enough to connect all the disparate data points we keep snatching at and synthesize them into conclusions that are likely to be correct. The people who can do that are working on it, and generally too busy at the moment to post on forums or give interviews. The…

> Her first patient was 51. I bet that's younger than most of you are thinking when you think "vulnerable." It looks like he's going to make it and drop into that large "didn't die" bucket I see referred to here over and over, but to get there he spent _five weeks_ in an ICU bed on a ventilator. My wife has treated lots of elderly people. She's also treated people in their 30's and 40's. People in those age groups have died. Children have died, too.

Anecdotal cases don't tell anything. Those people and kids could have other undiagnosed diseases or preconditions, they could lie about age, they could even have been miscategorized. All statistics shows that people at risks are 60+ , and people with another comorbidity. Just one example of study :

https://www.jwatch.org/na51296/2020/04/03/how-comorbidities-...

There are other studies if you look for "comorbidity covid19"

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Post by mehrdadn »

otterley wrote: post #337
mehrdadn wrote: post #332

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I'm not saying that will be for everyone , just that it is likely to be for many people , and those people may not be able to know if they're in that category until it's too late either. Obviously some landlords will be understanding and defer/waive payments long enough that people can repay, but my common sense says that, as cruel as it might be, what I described will also happen to a lot of people. I imagine in tho…

That legal barrier already exists - and the proscription is very broad. Why do you think we’ll just rip the bandage off instead of gradually phasing rent and mortgage payments back in?

Has there been a shortage of misgovernment recently that you think they'll take care of everyone, especially the poor?
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