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I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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https://outline.com/meyY6X

Are the images super small for everyone else too?

They're super-blurry without javascript, which probably means they're very small, enlarged by the IMG tag dimensions, and loaded in full res by JS. As an encouragement to use JS, I guess.

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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NPR's Planet Money also bought some oil: https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2016/08/26/491342091/plan...

I think Planet Money also bought a mortgage backed security a while back when things had already gone south. They tracked the houses involved and their history. It was interesting to see the investment tied to specific homes, and etc.

John Oliver bought peoples debt and released it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxUAntt1z2c

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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https://outline.com/meyY6X

Outline.com is intellectual theft of someone else's IP and their right to monetise it. Would we accept this in any other domain than content?

If we're not going to allow Outline we shouldn't allow paywalled articles on this forum.

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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I think Planet Money also bought a mortgage backed security a while back when things had already gone south. They tracked the houses involved and their history. It was interesting to see the investment tied to specific homes, and etc.

John Oliver bought peoples debt and released it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxUAntt1z2c

You can donate to RIP medical debt, and they’ll do this for you.

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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I'm not sure there's much of anything that will get the NIMBYs riled up more than a million barrels of crude.

Who does want a million barrels of crude in their back yard? As a very rough estimate, you'd have to stack them the better part of a mile high in mine.

I don’t think space is the issue. Shipping and safety (dealing with the one barrel that leaks) could easily eat $40/barrel if you’re not already set up for it.

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Sure, I bought a Delta Airlines bond with a 3.4% coupon for 93 cents on the dollar due in a year from now. Provided Delta doesn't go bankrupt in a year I will make 10%. They have a pretty healthy balance sheet compared to their peers and I don't expect the government to let the sector fail in such a way that bondholders get wiped out.

I would of thought holding Delta stock would have more than 10% upside if they don’t go bankrupt

Even if they don't go bankrupt, the equity has a much higher risk. The gov't could take massive warrants or preferreds etc. in exchange for needed money. That sort of dilution can be profound. Look at a 10 year chart of AIG. Yahoo chart says all time high was 1971 (by eye), currently trading at 23. Of course the stock was never actually trading at almost 2000/share, that's just the dilution factored in.

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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You have to dig a hole before you can fill it.

Backhoes are cheap. Maybe environmental issues? I imagine someone would have a problem if I just dug a hole and filled it.

I mean for a "personal" amount of oil, I suppose a backhoe would do. But, to change the front month price, you have to actually store a significant fraction of world oil production (1-2%?). I don't think a backhoe is going to cut it. Then you have to somehow make sure it doesn't plume into the ground water, which is impossible absent very specific geological features or somehow lining the world's largest open pit mine with an impermeable barrier.

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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This reminded me of the opposite story: https://thedailywtf.com/articles/Special-Delivery Tldr- commodities trader accidentally specified physical delivery for several thousand tons of coal; very surprised when the barges show up at their waterfront office.

I think the story is fiction. I don't think commodities are sent wherever your office is. Isn't the location of delivery set as a part of the futures contract?

Thedailywtf stories are generally some mix of fiction and fact. They take a presumably first-hand account from an insider and change a bunch of details to anonymize it and enhance it for dramatic effect.

I'd guess, for this particular story, that at least the misparsing of XML for a futures contract actually happened, and maybe that some producer consequently had to ask about the feasibility of delivering to a corporate office that happened to be in former docklands. It's entirely possible that the commodity involved was not coal, and it's extremely unlikely that a guy showed up one day at the front desk with a clipboard and barges outside.

In response to skepticism in the comments, the article's author gives an example of a futures contract on eggs where delivery was accidentally taken: https://web.archive.org/web/20090925022603/http://www.minyan...

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