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I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

#101

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I would of thought holding Delta stock would have more than 10% upside if they don’t go bankrupt

He’s not talking about stock, and you’re right - their stock would have a far greater return. Potentially over 100% within a year.

But also far more likely to go to zero.

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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post #61

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If the oil tanker can hold 2,000,000 barrels at -$35/ barrel you are being paid $70 million to store the oil for a few months... Of course, the next question is who pays for transport to/from the tanker, labor, dock fees, employees in ship (unless you can simply "park" it for a fee)

Yeah, I was wondering. I think if someone had the experience needed to put this together quickly it would likely be profitable. It looks like most tankers are ~200,000 metric tons which at ~8 barrels per metric ton is roughly 1.6 million barrels. You also really only need to store it for a month, I think June futures are around $20 still, and so it's a diff of ~$60/barrel.

Ran some basic figures for 6 months:

Barrels 2000000

lease cost / day $350,000.00

Barrel cost -$37

Take delivery profit $74,000,000.00

After 180 days storage $63,000,000.00

Sell/barrel $20

Net $51,000,000.00

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

#104
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https://outline.com/meyY6X

Outline.com is intellectual theft of someone else's IP and their right to monetise it. Would we accept this in any other domain than content?

3 comments in 5 years, interesting to choose this hill to die on.

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

#105

This reminded me of the opposite story: https://thedailywtf.com/articles/Special-Delivery Tldr- commodities trader accidentally specified physical delivery for several thousand tons of coal; very surprised when the barges show up at their waterfront office.

I think the story is fiction. I don't think commodities are sent wherever your office is. Isn't the location of delivery set as a part of the futures contract?

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

#106

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I'm not sure there's much of anything that will get the NIMBYs riled up more than a million barrels of crude.

Add blue collar people to the mix and it acts like a NIMBY rage multiplier. I'm picturing the movie plot now: A bunch of gulf coast fisherman, effectively unemployed by Corona hatch a plan to make a buck by taking advantage of the negative price of oil futures. They pool their resources and somehow get their hands on a derelict Venezuelan tanker, cheap because of favorable exchange rates, in order to take delivery of…

Starring Bruce Willis, Angelina Jolie.

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

#107
post #3

https://outline.com/meyY6X

Outline.com is intellectual theft of someone else's IP and their right to monetise it. Would we accept this in any other domain than content?

I don't think there's any opportunity cost to Bloomberg here, nobody freeloading on this site would otherwise be buying a subscription, I shouldn't have thought.

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

#108
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https://outline.com/meyY6X

Is there an open-source library that does this? I know readability existed at some point but now its no more. Using this, I'd love to build a self-hosted version of Pocket that supports full-text search etc.

I use Wallabag as a self hosted Pocket alternative, which uses Graby and some custom filters by the graby author: https://github.com/j0k3r/graby

Re: I tried to buy an actual barrel of crude oil (2015)

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Sure, I bought a Delta Airlines bond with a 3.4% coupon for 93 cents on the dollar due in a year from now. Provided Delta doesn't go bankrupt in a year I will make 10%. They have a pretty healthy balance sheet compared to their peers and I don't expect the government to let the sector fail in such a way that bondholders get wiped out.

I would of thought holding Delta stock would have more than 10% upside if they don’t go bankrupt

The stock probably does have a bigger potential upside, but also a more probable (than the bond) downside. The stock could drop quite a bit while the bond remains solvent. Bankruptcy and declining stock are not (completely) correlated positions to take. It's always a risk trade off.
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