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Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by Pils »

duchenne wrote: post #155

I guess it is easy to dismiss the message from ordinary people, since they do not express themselves as well as the professional speakers we are used to listen to. If instead of saying "I want a haircut.", they would say like Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." would they be taken more seriously? In the movie versio…

If a country is unwilling to make reasonable accommodations for working people to vote, defending in-person protests during a global pandemic as necessary for said country's democracy is beyond parody.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by SerLava »

thelean12 wrote: post #172
SerLava wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Without doing a real bailout of normal people, no we can't go more than a few months. If we're going to demand grocery store workers get buried in the ground for the sake of keeping things running, we can afford to radically shift the distribution of wealth toward the people we're literally condeming.

You're using quite inflammatory language here that's distracting from your points. Calling the US a failed state, saying we're demanding workers be buried in the ground, etc. If you want to discuss actual policy, then do so. I'm not interested in following platitudes.

Inflammatory language is appropriate to describe an ongoing attempt to end the lives of millions of people.

It's necessary to point out that we live in a failed state because some of the solutions being presented are assuming some kind of capability which we have not come close to demonstrating.

It looks like we're going to have to kill quite a few poor people is fundamentally inflammatory, even when you act like you're discussing the best fruit flavor.

These are people being killed, right now, all around you, for no fucking reason. These are people whose lives have marginally MORE value than yours, we're talking about snuffing them out.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by kyawzazaw »

nopriorarrests wrote: post #135
jfim wrote: post #125

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> Medical experts and scientists can provide data that helps inform people. There are tons of data available. Even at a layman level, it should be pretty obvious that doing no or late lockdown ends up in situations where there are large numbers of deaths.

>it should be pretty obvious that doing no or late lockdown ends up in situations where there are large numbers of deaths. Even this is debatable. I have no skin in this game and no strong opinion, but let's be honest -- lots of people were expecting total disaster in Sweden since they decided not to implement lockdown, but so far their daily cases chart looks not that different from other nordic countries.

> I have no skin in this game and no strong opinion, but let's be honest -- lots of people were expecting total disaster in Sweden since they decided not to implement lockdown, but so far their daily cases chart looks not that different from other nordic countries.

That's because many people in Sweden live alone.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by kyawzazaw »

djsumdog wrote: post #118
oldsklgdfth wrote: post #83

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RFI: I'm interested in learning more about an alternative strategy to the lockdown.

Sweden has open schools, movie theaters, restaurants (limited people; tables further apart) and bars (can't buy beer). People are working from home when they can. High risk people and older people are told to self isolate. Their hospitals are not overwhelmed. Their people do no wear masks. They hope the infection can spread slowly and they can deal with it. Sweden is criticized heavily, but if their strategy works, t…

We should add the fact that a lot of people in Sweden live alone.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by czardoz »

duchenne wrote: post #155

I guess it is easy to dismiss the message from ordinary people, since they do not express themselves as well as the professional speakers we are used to listen to. If instead of saying "I want a haircut.", they would say like Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." would they be taken more seriously? In the movie versio…

You're talking about this as if a "calculated risk" is limited to that individual, but it's not. Someone's "calculated risk" is literally death knell for others.

In this case, the health of the society as a whole is at stake. Therefore, people need to collectively follow rules, and understand that minor inconveniences such as not being able to get a haircut will only affect them for a few weeks or months.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by slashtom »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #86
inscionent wrote: post #63

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I can't catch heart disease and die in 2 weeks because of someone's poor hygiene. If the CocaCola Corporation were advertising "Coke Float" parties right now, would that be okay? FB does not owe an person access to FB, they only do it for the Coke ad dollars...

The legal questions of what FB’s rights are to control their platform are irrelevant to a discussion on the merits of how they choose to do it (and I’d suggest aren’t as clear cut as your implying). If you’re isolating, then you also can’t catch coronavirus from somebody attending a protest. If you’re out in public, then you could also be randomly struck by a car (unintentional injuries are the 3rd leading cause of d…

Facebook is a corporation that can make decisions based on what they believe the shareholders would want.

To simply throw out their rights to control their platform is anti-civil liberties and anti-democracy as well.

If you and others do not want to visit Facebook that's your right and your right to publicize, they do not owe you or me, anything.

If it turns out more people agree with you, Facebook will feel it with their stock price and most likely make adjustments. To say that they owe the public a free-space, is a leap if not a huge jump..

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by bpodgursky »

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #66
phakding wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you even read the links I posted?

No. They aren't going to read the links because they fall on the side of the protesters and astro-turfers ideologically.

I read the links, and like I said in the original comment, I think it's very disingenuous to equate "national political organization with real human supporters" with "artificial or paid shills"

You could use that logic to brand the ACLU or other civil rights organizations "astroturfers", because they are trying to coordinate or bootstrap local movements. Do you think that Black Lives Matter protests have to independently, randomly coalesce in cities for them to be real movements? Obviously not. Social change is hard, and claiming "oh, but there's someone out-of-state helping them organize" is just a cheap way to invalidate any protest you don't like.

It's no better than Putin branding all NGOs as "foreign agents", to trash any civil society the Kremlin doesn't like. We can do better.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by abnry »

staticassertion wrote: post #167
duchenne wrote: post #155

I guess it is easy to dismiss the message from ordinary people, since they do not express themselves as well as the professional speakers we are used to listen to. If instead of saying "I want a haircut.", they would say like Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." would they be taken more seriously? In the movie versio…

> If instead of saying "I want a haircut.", they would say like Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." would they be taken more seriously? Most people sound more like the latter than the former. If people were saying "We have a need for haircuts etc, this is serious", they'd get a lot more consideration than some appea…

> Most people sensibly realize that a lock-down in the face of a pandemic is not a regression in our fundamental rights as US citizens, but just a temporary measure to save lives.

The problem is that it may not be temporary due to legal creep. See: U.S. Patriot Act.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by tjr225 »

duchenne wrote: post #155

I guess it is easy to dismiss the message from ordinary people, since they do not express themselves as well as the professional speakers we are used to listen to. If instead of saying "I want a haircut.", they would say like Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." would they be taken more seriously? In the movie versio…

I have been a staunch progressive for my entire adulthood and now find myself strongly agreeing with the other side of the aisle.

Strange times.

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