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Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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This entire comment is a strawman. This is not the same as "arbitrary platform bias". This is not Facebook saying "we have a certain political view and we talked to the government and they agreed so no other views are acceptable". This is them stopping stupid people from killing a lot of other people. Also, your rights aren't affected. This is Facebook telling stupid people to shut up and stop spreading fud that coul…

This would only be true if coronavirus was more deadly than the dramatic increase in poverty that the resulting economic destruction of the shutdown will cause, which is extremely doubtful. Unemployment is deadly. The mortality rate while in poverty is over 2.5x.

Unemployment is only deadly where incompetent government doesn't put policies in place to cushion businesses and individuals from the closedown. If your government isn't putting these policies in place, you should ask why

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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No, it's a guy in Florida who went through and parked a bunch of domains with the same pattern. Maybe because he believed in the cause, and maybe because he wanted to make a few quick bucks. "Astroturfing" would be when paid shills or robots spam FCC comment boards. It's not astroturfing when thousands of genuine supporters of a cause show up at a protest, whether or not there is coordination (surprise, all protests…

Did you even read the links I posted?

Your reddit link includes photos of real people at a demonstration. Astro-turfing wouldn't produce that, unless they were paid actors.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Heart disease is responsible for a quarter of all deaths in the US. Facebook distributing adds for Coke is going to cause for more deaths than all the worlds quarantine protest groups combined. Deplatforming groups for petitioning the government is a tremendously alarming decision from Facebook. Regardless of what you think about FB being a corporate platform, the worlds civil liberties have been switched off along s…

I can't catch heart disease and die in 2 weeks because of someone's poor hygiene.

If the CocaCola Corporation were advertising "Coke Float" parties right now, would that be okay?

FB does not owe an person access to FB, they only do it for the Coke ad dollars...

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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This would only be true if coronavirus was more deadly than the dramatic increase in poverty that the resulting economic destruction of the shutdown will cause, which is extremely doubtful. Unemployment is deadly. The mortality rate while in poverty is over 2.5x.

Unemployment is only deadly where incompetent government doesn't put policies in place to cushion businesses and individuals from the closedown. If your government isn't putting these policies in place, you should ask why

I'm not sure how many tens of trillions of dollars we'd need to cushion every business from closing but it'd be substantially more than we are now, and we'd likely never pay off that debt. The US doesn't have the borrowing power to prop up that many companies and people for 18 months. That much printing is deep in hyperinflation territory.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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You should know that this is not a grass root movement rather someone astroturfing. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/04/whos-behind-the-reopen-d... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/coron... Also take a look at this Reddit comment https://www.reddit.com/r/maryland/comments/g3niq3/comment/fn... If you don't trust BuzzFeed you can go look at the domain registration information for open[enter state…

This is not astroturfing. I saw the protest in Austin this weekend. 22 million people have been laid off in the last 4 weeks. I've seen the footage of tens of thousands lining up at food banks across the country. This is just getting started.

Valid point. Millions are being affected by this shut-in. So what do you suggest? Re-open the country and have a free for all?

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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No, it's a guy in Florida who went through and parked a bunch of domains with the same pattern. Maybe because he believed in the cause, and maybe because he wanted to make a few quick bucks. "Astroturfing" would be when paid shills or robots spam FCC comment boards. It's not astroturfing when thousands of genuine supporters of a cause show up at a protest, whether or not there is coordination (surprise, all protests…

Did you even read the links I posted?

No. They aren't going to read the links because they fall on the side of the protesters and astro-turfers ideologically.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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It's worth noting that there is a lot of discussion in serious circles (including here on HN) about the balance between too much and not enough with respect to quarantine, lockdown, etc., both in terms of where we are now and what we should do in the near future. I see little reason to doubt that all involved are trying to minimize general death and misery, even if they may disagree radically about how to do that. It…

I see little reason to doubt that all involved are trying to minimize general death and misery At the risk of sounding inflammatory, there are pretty clearly some actors who would welcome death and misery upon others if it meant they made some money.

To further inflame things, it seems to me that government directing corporations to suppress peoples’ human rights of free speech and assembly is a textbook example of fascism.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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I highly doubt Facebook did this because it was the "good thing" to do. Instead, it has more to do with what's "good" for business, ie FB continues to sell fake political ads.

As such, anything that prolongs the pandemic is bad for business and bad for Facebook. That includes fake coronavirus cures and anti-quarantine stands.

This is also true for the Drug Cartels. We've seen them enforce social-distancing in Central America. Why? Because prolonging the pandemic is bad for business not because the Cartels suddenly grew a heart and decided they want to do something "good" for mankind.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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That's an impossible claim to backup. A traditional unemployment rate may result in a 2.5x increase in mortality rate, but this isn't a normal period of unemployment -- congress just injected an unimaginably large amount of money into the economy with the deliberate goal of keeping the unemployed afloat until things can re-open. You can't really look at a past study of unemployment effects and expect it to be anythin…

You're correct that we have no idea, but it's likely to be worse. Some communities won't come back from this. The economy cannot be paused without massive stimulus to keep it afloat (and no, the current stimulus isn't keeping it afloat). Some companies are entering bankruptcy as we speak. They aren't coming back.

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Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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You should know that this is not a grass root movement rather someone astroturfing. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2020/04/whos-behind-the-reopen-d... https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/coron... Also take a look at this Reddit comment https://www.reddit.com/r/maryland/comments/g3niq3/comment/fn... If you don't trust BuzzFeed you can go look at the domain registration information for open[enter state…

No, it's a guy in Florida who went through and parked a bunch of domains with the same pattern. Maybe because he believed in the cause, and maybe because he wanted to make a few quick bucks. "Astroturfing" would be when paid shills or robots spam FCC comment boards. It's not astroturfing when thousands of genuine supporters of a cause show up at a protest, whether or not there is coordination (surprise, all protests…

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